Aaron sits down with two of PSEA’s longest-serving board members – Debbie Lee and Patsy Tallarico – as they prepare to close out remarkable education careers. Debbie shares how 9/11 brought her from New York City classrooms to Pennsylvania, where she spent 16 years as local president and six as an NEA director. Patsy traces his path from a scrappy 1968 strike over planning periods all the way to the PSEA presidency and beyond. Together, they reflect on what keeps leaders going, why politics and education are inseparable, and what they hope the next generation of union leaders carries forward.
Aaron sits down with two of PSEA’s longest-serving board members – Debbie Lee and Patsy Tallarico – as they prepare to close out remarkable education careers. Debbie shares how 9/11 brought her from New York City classrooms to Pennsylvania, where she spent 16 years as local president and six as an NEA director. Patsy traces his path from a scrappy 1968 strike over planning periods all the way to the PSEA presidency and beyond. Together, they reflect on what keeps leaders going, why politics and education are inseparable, and what they hope the next generation of union leaders carries forward.
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Voiceover:
Welcome to Duty Free Lunch, the official podcast of the Pennsylvania State Education Association. Join us as we unpack the issues that matter most to you. From cutting edge classroom strategies to thought provoking policy discussions, if it impacts PSEA members, it's on the menu.
Aaron Chapin:
Hello and welcome to Duty Free Lunch. I'm PSEA president, Aaron Chapin. I'm back in the host chair, all by myself, for another conversation with two more departing board members whose contributions to our great union span decades. That's right, Patsy. Decades, almost a century. Almost.
Patsy Tallarico:
Oh no. No.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you've been following us this season you know we've been sitting down in the chair here with some of our longest serving leaders as their terms are coming to a grand closing. I know, Debbie's about to clap here. Today's no different. We've got Debbie Lee, we've got Patsy Tallarico. They have both traveled long, unique paths through this organization. And between the two of them, we're talking about careers that stretch from the 1960s. Really the '60s? That's it? All the way, Patsy, to today crossing locals, regions, state offices, and even the national stage. So Debbie, welcome to the podcast.
Debbie Lee:
Thank you, Aaron.
Aaron Chapin:
It is a true honor having you here today.
Debbie Lee:
Thank you for the invite.
Aaron Chapin:
You make this studio look fantastic.
Debbie Lee:
Keep going.
Aaron Chapin:
That's right. And then there's Patsy Tallarico. How you doing, Patsy?
Patsy Tallarico:
Beautifully.
Aaron Chapin:
Really?
Patsy Tallarico:
Yeah.
Aaron Chapin:
Are you excited? This is really the pinnacle of your career now, isn't it?
Patsy Tallarico:
Oh, this is like climbing Mount Everest.
Aaron Chapin:
When you had this vision back in the 1960s about this podcast, this is exactly what you had in mind, didn't you?
Patsy Tallarico:
Oh, absolutely.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah, I bet so. It's great having you both here today. I'm not sure why I dreamed having the two of you together, but we're going to see what happens. It's going to be magical. Wow, Patsy, you got to smile, man.
All right. So as I mentioned, you both had long winding careers through PSEA leadership. I'd like each of you to kind of give our listeners a quick overview of the path that kind of unfolded for you. So Debbie, let's start with you. How did you get to this moment? Where did it all start? How'd you get here?
Debbie Lee:
Well, teaching is my second career. My first career is in law. I entered my first classroom as a teacher in 1995. It was in New York City and I worked in New York school system from 1995 to 2001. After year one, I became the building rep for the union. Then 9/11 happened and it took me away from New York and brought me to Pennsylvania. I started working in 2002 in the Abington School District and retired in 2025. In 2014, I decided to run for NEA director because Corbett was our governor, and sitting around in the teacher's lounge complaining about it wasn't going to get me very far. So I ran for NEA director and served six years, two terms as NEA director. And that was from 2014 to 2020. When that ended in 2020, I ran for the Mideast Region vice president and I'm serving my last year now as the vice president of the Mideast Region.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah, you only got a few months left to go.
Debbie Lee:
Yeah. Yes.
Aaron Chapin:
I remember when you first ran for NEA director, because you had that headshot. Remember that headshot you used?
Debbie Lee:
That you drew a mustache on and hung behind your desk?
Aaron Chapin:
No, I did not. No, I did not. I had it behind my desk and I had kids ask me all the time, "Is that your wife?" So I clearly remember that picture. Patsy?
Patsy Tallarico:
Yes, sir.
Aaron Chapin:
Tell me about the path that brought you here.
Patsy Tallarico:
Okay. I started teaching in 1968 in the New Kensington-Arnold School District. I started in elementary and when I got there, there was a gigantic rift between secondary and elementary. In fact, the elementaries, we had one planning period one week, and two planning periods the next week, not daily, weekly. So this sort of got us a little upset, and I ran with a buddy of mine and he became president. I became vice president. And we had our first strike while we were there and we ended up getting the one planning period a day. Then we had our second strike, which in our contract it was if your spouse, only spouses back then, had hospitalization through where they worked, you had to go with theirs, whether it was better or worse or whatever. So we went on strike for that and we won that also. So that's what got me involved.
Aaron Chapin:
So you were there at the local level first?
Patsy Tallarico:
Well, absolutely. Yeah.
Aaron Chapin:
And then you moved on through some other-
Patsy Tallarico:
I moved on through all the officers in the local level, the county level. I was on IPD on national level and then I ran for treasurer and vice president and president and-
Aaron Chapin:
Of PSEA?
Patsy Tallarico:
Absolutely.
Aaron Chapin:
And that didn't stop there, because what have you been doing the last, geez, what is it, eight years now?
Patsy Tallarico:
I have been through the offices of the retired, I'm now president of the PSEA Retired. And-
Aaron Chapin:
You got a few more months to go now too.
Patsy Tallarico:
Yeah, a few more months and then-
Aaron Chapin:
That's it.
Patsy Tallarico:
... They're putting me out to pasture.
Aaron Chapin:
Is there anything else for you to run for?
Patsy Tallarico:
I was thinking of you coming up with something.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh my gosh. I'm almost out of here too, so you got nothing with me.
So looking back for both of you, was there a moment when you each realized, whether it was planned or not, that you were really a leader? Patsy, when did you realize you had the qualities to be a leader in this union?
Patsy Tallarico:
I think it was when we had our first strike. They chose me to be the head... I just went blank.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah, you were helping to organize the strike.
Patsy Tallarico:
Yeah. And I was the head negotiator. And like I said, then from then on we ended up bringing both sides together. We ended up having a strong local and-
Aaron Chapin:
So would you say that your members were looking towards you in that moment where you were striking? Because again, striking back then, pretty scary time.
Patsy Tallarico:
Yes, it was. It was. But fortunately, our first strike wasn't for money. It was for the planning periods. And we had more donuts and things that we could eat. We had the community on our side back then.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, those are tough times when you go on strike and the members are always looking to... They want somebody to lead them. So that's when you realized that?
Patsy Tallarico:
And we were much stronger after that.
Aaron Chapin:
All right. What about you, Debbie? When did you realize that you were meant to be a leader of this great union?
Debbie Lee:
I would say 2009, my first year as president of my local association, I was the chief negotiator of our contract. Thank goodness for Gettysburg Leadership School, which I attended for seven years prior. So I was very grateful. But that truly was a wow moment. I either had to buck up or get out. I had to make a decision. And once then the contract was negotiated, we then had 100% of our entire association, part of PSEA, part of the union. There were no members that were not part of the union then anymore.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, they weren't going to cross you.
Debbie Lee:
No, they wasn't. I was born and raised New York, so you already know that.
Aaron Chapin:
Yes, yes. So Debbie, as you mentioned, you didn't start your career here in Pennsylvania. You were there in the Bronx. You're a Bronx girl.
Debbie Lee:
Yes, I am.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah. So teaching and you said you were serving as a building rep and then you said 9/11 changed everything. So talk a little bit more about that. How did that moment reshape your life and what did you bring with you and carry into your career here in Pennsylvania? Obviously a very transformative event.
Debbie Lee:
Well, 9/11 is one of the saddest days of my life. Every member that lived in New York was affected, every single one of us. The smell alone was a smell of death and war in Manhattan for many, many months to follow. It took us some time, 70 hours to find out if all of our relatives were okay or not okay. And my family calls us the Pioneers. They all stayed in New York, but I didn't have peace of mind anymore.
Aaron Chapin:
No?
Debbie Lee:
It was time for me to go, so I took a compass and I draw on the map a 100 mile radius from my sister's front door and that brought me to Abington, Pennsylvania. I brought myself with me, my authenticity. I brought who I was. I wasn't about to change. I'm kind of like a pineapple. Either you love me, you hate me, or you're definitely allergic and I will kill you. So it's one of the above. But that's who I am, and I brought myself. And when I got here, I didn't know what to do. I went from a classroom of 34 kids and I moved to Abington and I had 16 students. So the first day I was wondering when were the rest of the kids coming and they never did. So it was pretty amazing. But I brought me with me, Aaron. I didn't change who I was and I brought my New York courage with me.
Aaron Chapin:
And obviously your colleagues, they brought you in, they embraced you. Yeah?
Debbie Lee:
Not in the beginning.
Aaron Chapin:
No?
Debbie Lee:
But it became much better.
Aaron Chapin:
They got to know you.
Debbie Lee:
Yeah. Being the first Puerto Rican to teach in my district made a huge difference.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, Patsy, you started teaching, you said, back in 1966.
Patsy Tallarico:
I did.
Aaron Chapin:
So that means you've seen this organization really go through some genuine seismic shifts over the last five decades. So what really stands out to you as the moments that really changed PSEA the most?
Patsy Tallarico:
Well, when PSEA started out as an organization, it was usually run by superintendents and people of that ilk.
Aaron Chapin:
Administrators.
Patsy Tallarico:
Administrators, right. So when we got here, it started to change. We started to bring it down to where the membership started running the organization. Of course, we had some governors that we had fought starting with Ridge and a couple of others that we battled with constantly and it brought us together. And we were going to have a March the 2nd, and I forget what year it was, but it was during my presidency, and we had buses coming in from all over. And then we had the biggest snowstorm we ever had in March. So it cut down a lot on the people coming in. But once again, those things that you have the members taking part in are the things that whenever you need them they're going to be there for you. And that's what I found out whenever I started taking part in the-
Aaron Chapin:
Well, there's two things I want to touch on there. One, something I don't think a lot of our members realize, that who really ran PSEA really has changed. It was a lot of administrators and now the professional members, it's our support staff. It's a very different organization now. We have very few administrators in our union.
Patsy Tallarico:
Correct.
Aaron Chapin:
And obviously we're very political now. We have to be politically involved because a lot of education revolves around politics. Was it very political back in the '60s and '70s?
Patsy Tallarico:
Well, as far as strikes, yes, we had more strikes back then than we have now. We were going out after it became legal to do so and some of them were unbelievably long. Some of them were unbelievably sometimes little rabble rousing. But we made our point. People started believing in us as just not babysitters.
Aaron Chapin:
Absolutely.
Patsy Tallarico:
We were out there trying to... And other unions were backing us. We were backing them and it was the start of a coalition of people of the same ilk that were union members. That's when we started calling ourselves unions instead of just an organization.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So Debbie, as you mentioned, you were president of the Abington Education Association from 2009 all the way until you retired in this past school year, back in 2025. That's a long run as president.
Debbie Lee:
Yes, it is.
Aaron Chapin:
It's a long run. I was president for six years at my local and it was a long run. I loved it, but a long run. What kept you in that role for so long?
Debbie Lee:
It was truly evident that I made a difference. Every day I could see the differences I was making. And that was important to me. I wanted every member to feel like they belonged. I didn't want anyone to feel like they were alone. And it made a difference and it actually filled me with joy. It truly did.
Aaron Chapin:
You love being local president?
Debbie Lee:
It was my favorite out of all the other ones.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, I tell people that all the time, especially when we meet up-and-coming leaders. Being local president of Strasburg for me was... And I love teaching, but I found it to be a lot more enjoyable because I was taking care of 400 plus people and their families. And for me, it was a joy. You felt the same way?
Debbie Lee:
I truly did. And I was a little over 600 members, and I knew region I wanted to be an officer, but in my region you have time release and I didn't want to leave the classroom. So being the local president allowed me to stay with my students as well as being a part of a union leadership role.
Aaron Chapin:
Patsy, were you local president too, did you say?
Patsy Tallarico:
I was, yes.
Aaron Chapin:
Did you like being local president?
Patsy Tallarico:
I did. I did.
Aaron Chapin:
So you were also president of PSEA. I mean, look, they're two very different jobs. And again, I'll say it now, I love being state president, but that local president job, did you really love it?
Patsy Tallarico:
Well-
Aaron Chapin:
You find joy in it?
Patsy Tallarico:
I did. I did find. But I loved being president of PSEA more. I never-
Aaron Chapin:
Because of the limousine that you ordered?
Patsy Tallarico:
Oh yeah. Driver. I mean, I never used an alarm clock to get up. I'd hurry up and get to the office. I'm usually the first one here and I could have done that forever, of course.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah. Well, thank goodness because I wouldn't be here today. So I'm glad to hear that. I wouldn't want you to be president forever, I'd miss my chance.
So Patsy, speaking of you being state president, I hear, and I'm not sure I ever knew this, you were the first person to be state treasurer, state VP and state president in that-
Patsy Tallarico:
Yes, I was.
Aaron Chapin:
I don't think I ever knew. I thought that that was kind of an old tradition, but you're the first?
Patsy Tallarico:
I'm the first, the very first.
Aaron Chapin:
So what was it like navigating that full journey because obviously it'd never been done before.
Patsy Tallarico:
Well, the only time I had opposition was the first time I ran for treasurer. And then from then on, I had no opposition. So I think it was my foot-long hoagies that did it, but whatever it was... I don't know, a name out of the past that probably nobody here remembers is Stanley Wills, and he was sort of the gatekeeper for PSEA. So whenever I first came here, my wife and I, he told her, he said, "You know what? He belongs to us now." I mean, I thoroughly enjoyed it. She didn't like it that much because she didn't have as thick as skin as I do, but I could have done it forever. I could have been the Idi Amin of PSEA.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, wow. You don't hear that very often on the podcast. But obviously people reacted well, look, you spent 12 years then here in Harrisburg as a state officer.
Patsy Tallarico:
I did. And the thing about it was, and the thing that you have to do, what you guys are doing now too, is you have to go and be with the people. I mean, my sense of direction was terrible. Before we had the GPS, I was going to a strike out here and I saw a sign that said, Ephrata Cloisters so many miles. And I said, "You know what? The wrong way." So I had to go back and do it. But now that we have the GPS, I'm all over the place with them and I love it.
Aaron Chapin:
All right. Debbie?
Debbie Lee:
Aaron?
Aaron Chapin:
Let's talk about the relationship that we have between politics and education. It's not something we like to talk a lot about. You've said that it's not about a Democrat or Republican thing, it's students and an education thing. So could you explain that a little bit more to our listeners because it's a message that we talk a lot about. It's not about D versus R, it's just about giving our kids the education they need when it comes to politics.
Debbie Lee:
I agree. And every election is truly the most important election, which sounds ridiculous, but it only takes one time for us to lose to lose everything. One time to lose to lose collective bargaining rights or the Department of Education. Just from one loss, these are the things that occur. So throughout my career, I've learned that politics go hand in hand with education. That's why often I've changed my political party.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh yeah?
Debbie Lee:
Because to be able to speak to the people you need desperately to speak to, you need to belong to their party. So it's a piece of paper. I check a different box and I go to the offices I need to go to. So it works for me, but it's very important. Politics is education. You can't do one without the other.
Aaron Chapin:
You can't ignore it.
Debbie Lee:
No. And if you try to ignore it, shame on you.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah. So you both, as we've indicated, you both have served at the national level. You both served with the National Education Association, NEA. How did that experience shift the way you thought about the work we do here in Pennsylvania, Debbie?
Debbie Lee:
I realized that my voice does matter and so do our stories and they need to be heard. I also learned that politicians are just like all the rest of us. They put their pants on one leg at a time and they often know less than we do. So without our stories, they can't make the connections and understand what's fully important. So that's what I learned most is that my voice matters and my voice is the voice of my community, my peers and my students.
Aaron Chapin:
Did you enjoy your time at the national stage?
Debbie Lee:
It was a wonderful part of my journey. I learned far more than I ever thought imaginable.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah. It's hard work that.
Debbie Lee:
It is. Well, all of this, the work you do is hard work, but it's what we choose and it's always worth it.
Aaron Chapin:
Patsy, you worked at the national level as well, correct? You were on a committee?
Patsy Tallarico:
Yeah, not as much as she did. But what I did find out is whenever we'd get together for the whole country at the meetings and the retired would be talking to other states and it was unbelievable the things that PSEA had and the other states did not have. I mean, they were aghast because every time we'd say something, it was like, "We don't have that. How'd you get that?" And I think that's a way where you can trade ideas and come up with things that maybe help somebody else. But yeah, it was an experience.
Aaron Chapin:
I find there can be some great collaboration when you are working with your counterparts at the national level. It's that way for me as a state president. I learned from other states, even though Pennsylvania's got a lot of great things going on, there's always something to be learned and I love the collaboration.
So grassroots organizing, let's talk a little bit about that. Door knocking, those one-on-one conversations. Debbie, you've talked about how powerful that is. What would you say to members who feel like their individual voice really doesn't matter?
Debbie Lee:
Well, first you start with a conversation with the individual members, that sometimes that's all it takes is for them to know that I'm listening and that they are heard, and that makes a huge difference. And when I truly have a member who doesn't want to hear it, I invite them to come visit a legislator with me so they could see for themselves that their story, someone does want to hear it.
Aaron Chapin:
Absolutely.
Debbie Lee:
And it will make a difference and they are the voice of their kids.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah, whether it's visiting the legislators locally or here in Harrisburg, it's really important.
Debbie Lee:
It is. And when you bring them pictures and drawings and letters from a seven-year-old asking, "Why can't I go see the dentist?" Or, "Why can't I have this because you don't want to give this to us?" It makes a huge difference.
Aaron Chapin:
So I'm assuming over these decades both of you have mentored, you've watched a lot of people come up through the ranks. What's one thing you both tried to model for emerging leaders that you hope actually stuck? Patsy, what's one thing?
Patsy Tallarico:
My biggest thing was to be, first of all, loyal to PSEA because to PSEA, it's my second family as many years as I've been here with it. But the other thing is to be truthful. It's no sin to say, "I don't know," instead of making something up as some people do in leadership roles, but-
Aaron Chapin:
What are you implying? That's terrible.
Patsy Tallarico:
Not here. Not here.
Aaron Chapin:
Okay. All right. I didn't want to have to fight you in the podcast studio.
Patsy Tallarico:
No, no, no.
Aaron Chapin:
We're going to wait until we start recording those. You and I will wrestle.
Patsy Tallarico:
You'll lose.
Aaron Chapin:
Go ahead, finish up your thought.
Patsy Tallarico:
Yeah, that's about it. I mean, you got to be genuine. You can't be coming out here and doing something and then the minute you turn your back, you're doing something different. And the other thing is, as Debbie said, you got to listen to the people. It's not like you're going out and preaching all the time, but also listen to what they have to say because a lot of times there's things you never thought of that they have that work fantastically.
Aaron Chapin:
Absolutely. I like that. I like what you said about being genuine. I think the members can see it a mile away. You agree, Debbie?
Debbie Lee:
I totally agree with both of you gentlemen. And the listening part as well, Patsy, that is so important. And you have to have empathy.
Aaron Chapin:
Yes.
Debbie Lee:
Although their situation might not seem like such a big deal, but to them it might be the end of the world. So you often have to put yourself in their shoes and see things from them and have the patience needed to be a leader.
Aaron Chapin:
Yes. And again, our colleagues just want to be heard. They're doing a really hard job and they just want to be heard. Is it easy for you to listen to people?
Debbie Lee:
No, I'm one of 18 siblings and I'm third from the youngest, so it's not difficult to listen at all.
Aaron Chapin:
So what's something that the membership might not fully appreciate about what it takes to serve at this level, like behind the scenes reality of this work? What do you think something they don't really grasp, Debbie?
Debbie Lee:
The toll it takes on our families. Sometimes we have to put those that we love the most on the planet second because we have responsibilities, things we signed up for and we have to see it through. So it's hardest on our family. So you have to know to involve your family every step of the way with all the decisions you're making because it will affect them as much as it affects you.
Aaron Chapin:
It's a lot of time that we all spend in meetings, on the road.
Debbie Lee:
Yeah.
Aaron Chapin:
It's crazy. What about you, Patsy? What's something that you think our members might not fully appreciate about this job at this level?
Patsy Tallarico:
Well, once again, I agree with her. It's like your spouse or your other person-
Aaron Chapin:
Your kids?
Patsy Tallarico:
... Your kids.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah.
Patsy Tallarico:
They don't realize the time away. I mean, it's like how many times did I miss my kids' ball game or the other things? And one thing that it did help is as many times as I was away from home I think kept our marriage going for 58 years.
Aaron Chapin:
Because you weren't there?
Patsy Tallarico:
Yeah.
Aaron Chapin:
So you're saying just being gone, it was easier for her when you were just gone.
Patsy Tallarico:
Yeah.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, I don't think that's the case.
Patsy Tallarico:
A little jokingly.
Aaron Chapin:
All right. Well, maybe we'll get her on the podcast sometime.
Patsy Tallarico:
There you go.
Aaron Chapin:
The truth behind Patsy.
As we're wrapping things up here, what's some advice that you would leave for somebody that might be stepping into your roles? Patsy, obviously right now you're finishing up with PSEA Retired, but you've had a long career at different levels. What's one piece of advice you would give somebody?
Patsy Tallarico:
If you want it, go for it. For me, I came from a local that had 160, 170 members, our region wasn't that big. But I had people surrounding me that were fantastic. It's like when I got to PSEA, the staff and everybody else here made me look good.
Aaron Chapin:
Especially the communication staff.
Patsy Tallarico:
Oh, they were the finest.
Aaron Chapin:
That's right. I would agree. What about you, Debbie? What's one piece of advice you would give?
Debbie Lee:
No matter what happened today, how bad of a day it was, tomorrow you get to start again.
Aaron Chapin:
Wow. Pretty good, huh, Patsy?
Patsy Tallarico:
That's fantastic.
Aaron Chapin:
You were going to say that second, right?
Patsy Tallarico:
Well, yeah, but I gave that to her before we came in.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, look, this has been an absolute pleasure, and it's been great serving with both of you. I've known both of you for so long now. It's amazing. It's going to be very different on September 1 when the two of you are no longer in the boardroom. We're going to miss you desperately. But I wish you all the luck with whatever's coming next, and I just appreciate everything you've done for this great union. I know our members feel the same way. So thank you for everything you've done, and thanks for being here today. This has been fun.
Debbie Lee:
Thank you, Aaron.
Aaron Chapin:
We had a little bit of joking around, but in all seriousness, you guys are amazing and it's hard to believe that we're going to have to replace you. But as we always say, everybody's replaceable.
Patsy Tallarico:
You got it.
Aaron Chapin:
You got it. You agree, Debbie?
Debbie Lee:
No. Not at all. Sorry. I don't. But thank you, Aaron.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, that does it for our time today. Our guests have been Debbie Lee. Thank you for being here.
Debbie Lee:
Thank you.
Aaron Chapin:
And Patsy Tallarico, President Patsy Tallarico.
Patsy Tallarico:
Yes.
Aaron Chapin:
Thank you for being here.
Patsy Tallarico:
Oh, it was my pleasure.
Aaron Chapin:
Obviously, two leaders who their fingerprints all over this organization in a good way. Come on now. Your dedication to the members has been clear, so thank you very much. It's been an absolute honor. And again, thank you for everything you've done. And thanks to all of our listeners for tuning in. We'd love to get some feedback. Maybe you want to know Patsy's recipe for chili.
Patsy Tallarico:
Spaghetti.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, spaghetti. Okay. Spaghetti? Okay.
Patsy Tallarico:
I make a heck of a sauce.
Aaron Chapin:
Gravy?
Patsy Tallarico:
No gravy. Sauce.
Aaron Chapin:
So if you got a question, send it to podcast@psea.org. I'm Aaron Chapin and you have been listening to Duty Free Lunch. Bye for now.
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