Aaron, Jeff, and Rachael sit down with PSEA Executive Director Jim Vaughan to illuminate the inner workings of the Association. Jim shares his day-to-day responsibilities, discusses how members' voices shape PSEA’s decisions, and highlights recent successes in organizing and bargaining. Get a behind-the-scenes look at the people and projects that keep PSEA running smoothly, along with Jim's vision for the future of the organization.
Aaron, Jeff, and Rachael sit down with PSEA Executive Director Jim Vaughan to illuminate the inner workings of the Association. Jim shares his day-to-day responsibilities, discusses how members' voices shape PSEA’s decisions, and highlights recent successes in organizing and bargaining. Get a behind-the-scenes look at the people and projects that keep PSEA running smoothly, along with Jim's vision for the future of the organization.
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Voiceover (00:02):
Welcome to Duty Free Lunch, the official podcast of the Pennsylvania State Education Association. Join us as we unpack the issues that matter most to you from cutting-Edge classroom strategies to thought-provoking policy discussions. If it impacts PSEA members, it's on the menu.
Aaron Chapin (00:23):
Hello and welcome to Duty Free Lunch. I'm president of PSEA Aaron Chapin. I'm here today with PSEA Vice President Jeff Ney.
Jeff Ney (00:33):
Hey, Aaron. How are we doing today?
Aaron Chapin (00:34):
Oh my God, it's another beautiful day here in Harrisburg.
Jeff Ney (00:36):
It's fantastic.
Aaron Chapin (00:37):
I know. It's great weather. And we're also here with the PSEA Treasurer, Rachel West. Rachel.
Rachael West (00:43):
Hi guys. How you doing today?
Aaron Chapin (00:44):
Oh, well, you heard it. Everything's great here in Harrisburg. Everything's wonderful.
Rachael West (00:47):
Everything's sunny at PSEA.
Aaron Chapin (00:48):
Well-
Jeff Ney (00:49):
Everything is awesome.
Aaron Chapin (00:50):
Everything is great here, especially since this is the end of our first season on the podcast. Can you believe it, Rachel?
Rachael West (00:56):
I honestly can't believe I've spent a whole year working next to you two.
Aaron Chapin (01:00):
I know. You're pretty lucky. I remember that first podcast so clearly.
Jeff Ney (01:05):
Wow. Is this like a montage are we going to flashback?
Aaron Chapin (01:07):
Well, actually, I don't... Who was the first guest?
Jeff Ney (01:12):
I remember. It was actually one of our local members. Wasn't it Jimbo and Amy?
Aaron Chapin (01:15):
No.
Jeff Ney (01:16):
No.
Aaron Chapin (01:17):
It wasn't Becky Pringle. I don't know. We've been doing these so long now, I don't remember.
(01:21)
Wow.
Jeff Ney (01:22):
I know.
Aaron Chapin (01:23):
Well, it's a great day.
Jeff Ney (01:25):
We're not going to forget this one though. This is a very special podcast.
Aaron Chapin (01:28):
Well, it's because I've got listener mail.
Jeff Ney (01:30):
Oh, we do.
Aaron Chapin (01:30):
Well, I've got listener mail.
Jeff Ney (01:32):
I hope it's advice.
Aaron Chapin (01:33):
Well, probably not. So I got a few of them here. We've been saving them just for the right occasion.
Jeff Ney (01:39):
And this is the occasion?
Aaron Chapin (01:40):
When we had to fill the airways because we didn't want to hear our guests that much. So here we go. "Good morning. I am a member of the Southern region, and I love listening to the podcast. The short 30-minute format is perfect for my morning commute."
Jeff Ney (01:54):
Oh my God. That's-
Aaron Chapin (01:55):
That's why-
Jeff Ney (01:55):
Again, it's your idea.
Aaron Chapin (01:56):
I know. I know.
Jeff Ney (01:56):
I got you. I got you.
Aaron Chapin (01:57):
"Could you do an episode on negotiating and how members can push back and organize around negotiation?"
Jeff Ney (02:05):
Oh, that's a great idea.
Rachael West (02:06):
It's a spectacular idea.
Aaron Chapin (02:07):
I agree, we should. Season 2.
Jeff Ney (02:10):
Season 2.
Aaron Chapin (02:13):
Here's one from the great state of Maine.
Jeff Ney (02:16):
Maine!
Aaron Chapin (02:16):
Uh-huh. She starts out, "Ketchup and cottage cheese."
Jeff Ney (02:22):
Oh my goodness. I can almost see it. It was my-
Rachael West (02:23):
I remember that episode.
Aaron Chapin (02:23):
I know, it's my favorite aunt used to love Catalina dressing on hers.
Jeff Ney (02:29):
I still like Catalina, come on.
Rachael West (02:30):
I love the dressing, but on cottage cheese?
Aaron Chapin (02:33):
No, no, no, no. She thoroughly enjoys our PSEA podcast, even though she's not a member, it's become a part of her regular routine during her planning period.
Jeff Ney (02:43):
Oh, so she is a member just not in PSEA?
Aaron Chapin (02:46):
Yes. So apparently she's listening to this at work-
Jeff Ney (02:49):
Fantastic.
Aaron Chapin (02:50):
... in Maine. Well, thank you for listening and I hope you share with all your friends in Maine. Here's the last one.
Jeff Ney (02:59):
Last one.
Aaron Chapin (03:00):
"Thank you for picking topics that are so relatable to us, teachers and support staff. I enjoy listening to this podcast while driving, eating lunch, or just relaxing."
Jeff Ney (03:10):
Wow. See, Aaron once again, you had a great idea filling the void to a lot of people's [inaudible 00:03:17]
Aaron Chapin (03:17):
Wow. Well, it's a collective effort of filling the void.
Jeff Ney (03:19):
Absolutely.
Aaron Chapin (03:20):
Well enough chit-chat. We need to get to our very important guests.
Jeff Ney (03:24):
Very important.
Aaron Chapin (03:24):
Because he's been sitting around for months and months complaining-
Jeff Ney (03:28):
Very much.
Aaron Chapin (03:28):
... "Why won't they have me on the podcast?"
Jeff Ney (03:31):
Vocally.
Aaron Chapin (03:32):
Yes. And now his time has come so he better shine. Or he will never be invited back because today's guest is PSEA's executive director, James Vaughn. How you doing, Jim?
Jim Vaughan (03:46):
I think I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. I was thinking maybe it was an honor to be in the season finale, but now I'm not so sure.
Aaron Chapin (03:53):
I always love the season finale. When I was a kid. There would be drama and you wouldn't know what's coming.
Jeff Ney (03:58):
Right. Maybe there's a cliffhanger that-
Aaron Chapin (03:59):
There might be a cliff. Ooh, there might be.
Jeff Ney (04:01):
Oh, that'd be fantastic.
Aaron Chapin (04:02):
Will Jim Vaughan be invited back? The pressure's on.
Jim Vaughan (04:04):
Yes.
Aaron Chapin (04:05):
Well, Jim, we're excited that you're here. We know you have a lot of knowledge that you want to share with us today, maybe.
Jim Vaughan (04:12):
Maybe.
Aaron Chapin (04:12):
Well, let's get right to it. So Jim, you're the executive director for now?
Jim Vaughan (04:16):
Yes, sir.
Aaron Chapin (04:17):
Okay.
Jeff Ney (04:20):
Until the end of this podcast. For at least the next 20 minutes.
Aaron Chapin (04:24):
So Jim, you got to tell everybody because I'm not even sure I really know, and I've been working with you for five years. What are your day-to-day responsibilities?
Jim Vaughan (04:32):
I'm pretty sure it's keeping the three of you happy.
Aaron Chapin (04:35):
Ouch. Keep trying.
Jim Vaughan (04:39):
I strive for greatness every day.
Aaron Chapin (04:40):
All right. Well, what do you do?
Jim Vaughan (04:41):
Well, in all seriousness, my primary focus is the executive directors on the staff of PSEA. We have roughly 250 employees, and we are all charged with carrying out the policies and directives of the membership. So in that regard, I have a fairly regular pace to my weeks, regularly checking in with PSEA senior management team on whatever priorities we have moving forward through the organization. Keeping you as the officers informed so you can relay information to the board, to our leaders.
(05:13)
But the specific work, I would say, varies immensely, depending on, again, what the current priorities are, what time of year it is. Right now, we're in an election season that's taking up a fair amount of time. Sometimes we're focused on upcoming conferences or the legislative session. So week to week there's a certain cadence, but the work varies.
Jeff Ney (05:34):
Oh, so along with that, so obviously we understand that you work with the staff very, very closely, but also members as well. So I know we get from time to time, we get the voices of our members trying to tell us what they need and how that impacts PSEA's decision making process. So how does that whole process work in your world?
Jim Vaughan (06:01):
How does member voice get into our work?
Jeff Ney (06:03):
Correct.
Jim Vaughan (06:04):
That's a great question. PSEA is an incredibly member-driven organization, more so than many other non-profit or trade organizations. We're a union, but you would compare us to other kind of trade organizations out there in Pennsylvania, particularly in the education environment. We often get accused of being a capital D Democratic organization, but we're really a small D democratic organization, and we've truly infused, in my opinion, democratic ideals into this union.
(06:35)
There's a very defined structure of leadership from our board of directors to our executive officer team. We have an elected and appointed committee structure, and all of those groups report up and also take direction from our House of Delegates. And some of the members, some of the listeners hopefully have been to our House of Delegates. It's our highest governing body and authority within PSEA. Any member is eligible to run to be a delegate and bring a new business item, that can be voted on by the body. And once that happens, we've got to do it. That's our job, right?
Jeff Ney (07:12):
That's exactly it.
Jim Vaughan (07:13):
And I think I would give one other example of that where member voice comes into play, and that's the current thing. You guys are all aware of this, we're coming to a close of it in the next few months, is our mission, vision, values and goals process. And that's something we do every 7 to 10 years here at PSEA.
(07:32)
But in this instance, this time around, we truly gave every member of PSEA the opportunity to put their voice into the room, the metaphorical room, about what our new mission, vision, values and goals process should be. And that then ultimately is going to work through our democratic process again, through our board, through our regions, and up to our House of Delegates again. And so you really do have a great process there.
(07:59)
I'd give one other fact about member voice, and that is, if you look back over the past 365 days, we've conducted about 75 state or local surveys of our members on issues they care about, on things like bargaining. And we've had about over 33,000 responses from members. I don't know any other organization that's talking to their membership like that and getting that kind of feedback on a regular basis to help direct our work.
Aaron Chapin (08:29):
Not even Delaware?
Jim Vaughan (08:30):
Not even Delaware.
Jeff Ney (08:32):
It's always great when the members know that those surveys are coming out. So always be checking your emails. And honestly, we do take a look at every one of those surveys. So if you are thinking about, should I take this or not? Do us a favor, take the five minutes and take those surveys.
Jim Vaughan (08:45):
We always appreciate member feedback. It really helps us do our jobs.
Rachael West (08:49):
Obviously our members are a strong driving force with this association, and most of what our members are familiar with is their UniServ reps and the other field staff that they come in contact with. And that usually comes to the organizing and bargaining. What do you see as some of PSEA's recent successes?
Jim Vaughan (09:08):
That's a great question. And in fact, we saw evidence of it in the member mail that President Chapin was reading. Someone was asking for more information about negotiations and bargaining. I probably sound like a broken record around the building and to anyone who will listen to me, but you hit the nail on the head. Bargaining good salary and benefits is the number one thing our members care about and want PSEA to do.
(09:33)
That's why our field staff, our UniServ, that's the largest division in PSEA, that makes up almost half of the organization because it's where we devote our resources to make sure that we have individuals on the front lines working alongside our members to help them get what they deserve. As well as enforcing those contracts once they're in place. But there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes in that regard.
(10:01)
So you have UniServ staff who are out there and they have to be a jack of all trades. They have to know everything. But we have content experts all throughout the organization that help pull together that information and drive it out to our field staff. We have some of the best field staff in the nation.
Aaron Chapin (10:26):
Even Delaware?
Jim Vaughan (10:27):
Better than Delaware.
Aaron Chapin (10:27):
Wow.
Jim Vaughan (10:29):
I mean, in all seriousness, we've got a really restrictive high-caliber culling process to become a UniServ representative in PSEA. It's more restrictive than a lot of other state affiliates. And that's because we expect top-notch work from our staff. And once they're in the fold, we're constantly having them work with one another.
(10:54)
We've got a lot of people with PhD after their name in this building, and we have groups that are looking at salary trends, that are looking at health insurance trends, that are able to do fact findings. You name it. I'm always proud because I know almost 99% of the time when I walk into a room at PSEA, I'm not the smartest guy in the room. And that's a great thing because we've got some really talented individuals here who can help make sure we're doing the best we can for our members.
Jeff Ney (11:24):
So let's keep going down that hole because like you said, our members know their UniServs and they know the people that are in the field office, and if they come to a house of Delegates or to a Collective Bargaining Conference, they do see a lot of those staff members that are forward-facing that they get to see. But we all know that there are some behind-the-scenes people that this organization could not run without. We have mentioned our communications that help us on this podcast so many times. Who else is to behind the behind-the-scenes helpers that help PSEA run?
Jim Vaughan (11:55):
You trying to get me in trouble? It's so hard to pick just one, right?
Jeff Ney (11:59):
Exactly.
Jim Vaughan (12:01):
Honestly, it's a really tough question. And I think to single out any one individual would do a disservice to any of our 250 employees. Now that said, I think there are groups of individuals I could refer to, and I somewhat tongue in cheek, refer to the people who work on the third floor along with our Treasurer West as the guts of PSEA. And that's where our administrative services and financial management staff work.
(12:27)
Along with folks in IT, those individuals do a tremendous amount of work that honestly, the average member probably isn't aware of, but they keep track of 178,000 members, of dues, whether it's national dues, state dues, local dues, making sure all our compliance reporting is done. And those folks are led by Phyllis Heverly Flesher, and she does an incredible job down there.
(12:56)
But I mean, I could point out legal, our General Counsel Lynne Wilson, Jim Pendleton in IT or any number of staff throughout the building. But in terms of actually something that I think the average member doesn't recognize, it's our administrative services because it keeps us running. It's that behind the scenes work that often isn't celebrated because people don't think accounting's a sexy profession.
Aaron Chapin (13:23):
I do.
Jim Vaughan (13:25):
Except for President Chapin. But that's, I think how I'd answered that question.
Jeff Ney (13:29):
And it's interesting, and I hope our listeners understand that because oftentimes we actually tell our educators as like, "Hey, promote all the great stuff that you do." And they're like, "Ah, no, I'm just a piece of the puzzle here." And that's exactly how our PSEA staff reacts a lot of times.
Aaron Chapin (13:44):
Well, I've been around on the board of directors for PSEA since 2015. I know it's hard to believe, nine years. So Jim, coincidentally, you became the executive director when I got on the board.
Jim Vaughan (13:57):
I might've been one of your first votes.
Jeff Ney (13:58):
Wow.
Aaron Chapin (13:59):
Actually, you might've been. Might've been.
Jim Vaughan (14:00):
Co-incidence or something more?
Aaron Chapin (14:02):
So since 2015, I'm thinking the landscape has changed dramatically at PSEA World. What do you think? What's different?
Jim Vaughan (14:10):
There's a lot different, and a lot stayed the same. We've gone through a lot of challenging times at PSEA since 2015. I sometimes feel like you just can't catch a break. When I first came in, we were facing Friedrichs and Janus, so we had to worry about becoming essentially a right to work state, but we weathered that storm.
(14:35)
Then we went through some really terrible personal tragedies within our leadership ranks. We lost some officers due to untimely passings. And then we were coming out of that, we were coming out of Janus. We were experiencing member growth and then a global pandemic hit. Who saw that? No one had COVID on their bingo card.
(14:57)
But I feel like now four years on from that, we are largely back to normal. But each of those items, along with numerous other daily or seasonal crises, has left PSEA more battle tested and ready for the next challenge. I think that is a testament to both the staff that work here, the leadership of the organization and our members. We've taken on some uncomfortable conversations, some uncomfortable topics. COVID was a very difficult time. We also have stepped forward into issues around diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging. And I'd like to think we're a stronger organization than we were in 2015.
Aaron Chapin (15:41):
All right.
Rachael West (15:44):
We've just spent a little bit of time here reflecting back on what has changed since you came on as executive director. And so now let's look at now and moving forward. What projects are happening right now at PSEA that you're most excited about and why is that a project that's exciting for you?
Jim Vaughan (16:01):
I'd give two answers to that, and I'll be brief. The first, I already mentioned an update of our mission, vision, values and goals because that's a truly member driven process, and it's going to direct the work of the organization and the union for the next 10 years.
(16:14)
The other thing I'm also excited about is our work with Educators Rising. I know you guys have talked about the educator shortage and the pipeline issues. And that's an area where I feel like PSEA took the bull by the horns themselves. And we're being proactive about not only increasing the pipeline, but diversifying it. We're doing that work on our own in a sense. I'm excited to see what changes that brings over the next several years. It's a long-term solution, but I think it's something that PSEA can be proud of.
Jeff Ney (16:46):
Yeah. And it's always good to look where you have been. I mean, coming from the government relations department into the executive director, but it's also one of the PSEA's prides to be looking forward because you can't just be reactive to the things that are happening right now. So if you could get out your crystal ball, because Dan's crystal ball is not very good at all, but your crystal ball 10 years from now, where do you see PSEA in this organization in 10 years? And what should we look forward to?
Jim Vaughan (17:19):
Probably updating our mission, vision, values and goals.
Jeff Ney (17:22):
It'll be on a timeline.
Jim Vaughan (17:23):
It will be right on that timeline. That's a tough question because education's constantly changing. In fact, that's one of the complaints we hear from our members. Think of how many times your district or school board is coming in and said, we're changing the curriculum again, and no one gave it enough time to actually settle in and see if it worked. 10 years, that's a lifetime away. I do wonder, I guess I'd say I have some thoughts and some hopes.
(17:51)
I think we're going to see a significant intrusion. And I don't mean that in negative connotation of artificial intelligence into the classroom. I think that has the potential to be a good thing. NEA's done some work on this. We're in the midst of some work on this from a flashback to my other answer, a new business item from our House of Delegates.
Jeff Ney (18:12):
House of Delegates.
Jim Vaughan (18:12):
We have a task force that's forming on that to explore impacts in Pennsylvania and how to contend with them. I think educators and human beings are always going to be a central part of the education experience. There's no way... It's a human capital intensive endeavor, and I don't see any way that it can't be. But I do think there are some potentially exciting things that could happen around artificial intelligence.
(18:37)
The other thing I'm hopeful for is that the current culture wars we see going on and the lack of respect, which leads to significant amount of burnout among our members, that we're able to overcome that here in the next few years, next year or so, and really start to bring respect back to the profession. And that goes along with some of the efforts we have. We're engaged in around educator pipeline as well. So it all fits together. But that's my hope for 10 years from now, is that we're not talking about incredibly divisive issues that divide society as a whole and even our membership to some degree.
Jeff Ney (19:15):
Wow. So I mean, it's always good to have that forward-thinking. Most of our educators, the jobs that they're doing in their classroom, they're always looking at, okay, what's that next lesson? So it's always great to have somebody at the helm that is also looking forward to and has that hope. That's always fantastic.
Aaron Chapin (19:32):
Jeff?
Jeff Ney (19:32):
Yes, sir.
Aaron Chapin (19:33):
Guess what?
Rachael West (19:34):
I know what time it is.
Jeff Ney (19:35):
Is it? What time is it?
Aaron Chapin (19:36):
It's pop quiz time. Jim, you're here for a pop quiz?
Jim Vaughan (19:41):
Always got to be ready for one.
Jeff Ney (19:43):
So a little behind the scenes. When I got here as an officer, I used to give Jim and Sandy Williams pop quizzes on their times tables. So it's just like that. I'm not going to quiz you on times tables.
Jim Vaughan (19:53):
I did not study my times tables.
Jeff Ney (19:57):
Okay. So you've worked here at PSEA since 2007? Like I said, started in GR?
Jim Vaughan (20:00):
No, 2004.
Jeff Ney (20:01):
2004.
Jim Vaughan (20:03):
October 11th, 2004.
Aaron Chapin (20:08):
Okay. Oh, your 20th anniversary's coming up.
Jim Vaughan (20:10):
It is indeed. My goodness.
Aaron Chapin (20:12):
Exciting.
Rachael West (20:12):
I met Jim at his very first PSEA statewide event.
Jeff Ney (20:16):
Which was?
Rachael West (20:17):
The very first ACE training that PSEA offered.
Jeff Ney (20:20):
Wow.
Rachael West (20:21):
In Morgantown, PA.
Aaron Chapin (20:23):
I love Morgantown at the Holiday Inn.
Jeff Ney (20:27):
So since 2004, now, educators in their buildings or in their classrooms, they always like to say, "Boy, I've seen it all." And still day to day, something surprises me. So after all of that time approaching your 20th anniversary, is there anything that still surprises you about PSEA?
Aaron Chapin (20:47):
And remember it's a pop quiz, got to keep it short.
Jim Vaughan (20:49):
Keep it short. Well, I was going to give you my whole history of how I came here. I don't know that there is anything that surprises me at PSEA. And it goes back to my answer to your other question about what's changed since 2015. PSEA has always had an ability to get an answer or to find a solution to a problem that arises and something that comes up from our membership. So I think I'm always impressed and surprised by when a question comes up and you think, I have no idea. There's someone in the building or someone in the organization or collectively a group of individuals who can figure it out. That is a testament to the staff and a benefit to the organization.
(21:34)
But the one thing I would say that surprises me, I've been here since 2004, and the coffee that we have is still terrible. And I feel like I should be able to do something about that by now.
Aaron Chapin (21:47):
Well, you are the executive director.
Jim Vaughan (21:48):
I'm going to work on that.
Jeff Ney (21:49):
Well, we have done something about it. We just bring our own coffee in and there's Little Lamps right around the corner, which I highly recommend.
Aaron Chapin (21:56):
I will agree. It's almost been a decade for me. I feel like the association is so rock solid, steady. The issues vary. We have crazy things that have been happening, but we're constantly, I think about our board of directors. I think about our locals and the leaders. We're constantly just moving forward. We get a problem, we solve it, we get a problem, we solve it. And that just seems to be what we do here at PSEA.
Rachael West (22:21):
I think that if you're going to go into education, that is the attitude you have to have.
Jeff Ney (22:25):
Well, because we always plan on Plan A not working. So you always need to have those subsequent plans. And we just seem to be that organization that has it.
Aaron Chapin (22:33):
Well, Jim, you made it through.
Jeff Ney (22:37):
Wow. Congratulations.
Jim Vaughan (22:38):
I'm honored.
Jeff Ney (22:39):
Well, you should be because it's our season finale.
Jim Vaughan (22:42):
Will there be-
Aaron Chapin (22:43):
No cliff-
Jeff Ney (22:43):
What about the cliffhanger?
Jim Vaughan (22:45):
Will I be back?
Jeff Ney (22:46):
Will he be back to Season 2?
Aaron Chapin (22:47):
Will he be back to see his 20th anniversary? I can't believe it's 20 years.
Jim Vaughan (22:51):
I can't either.
Aaron Chapin (22:54):
Well, now we have to have a party.
Jim Vaughan (22:54):
No, we do not.
Aaron Chapin (22:54):
I think we might.
Jeff Ney (22:55):
We should have a party.
Jim Vaughan (22:56):
Well-
Jeff Ney (22:57):
Juice boxes and cupcakes for everybody.
Aaron Chapin (23:00):
Twizzlers.
Jim Vaughan (23:00):
Twizzlers, yes.
Aaron Chapin (23:01):
Well-
Jeff Ney (23:02):
Listen, any sweet-
Aaron Chapin (23:03):
We could go on.
Jeff Ney (23:04):
Jim will take any sweet-
Aaron Chapin (23:05):
We're out of time. We are out of time. And today's guest has been PSEA's Executive Director, Jim Vaughan. Thanks again, Jim, for joining us.
Jim Vaughan (23:12):
Thank you.
Aaron Chapin (23:12):
And thanks for everything you do, in all seriousness. Thanks for everything you do for our association, for our members, and for the kids in all of our public schools. We don't have enough words to express how much you've done for us. So thank you very much. Thanks, Jim.
Jim Vaughan (23:27):
I don't think you meant that.
Aaron Chapin (23:28):
I did.
Jim Vaughan (23:29):
It was, nah, thanks, Jim.
Aaron Chapin (23:31):
Geez, that's terrible. Well, thanks again for our listeners. We appreciate you tuning in. If you've listened to all 17 episodes this first season, thank you very much. I'm sure you have feedback. We could always be better.
Jim Vaughan (23:43):
Yes.
Aaron Chapin (23:44):
We're a bunch of knuckleheads sometimes. Hey-
Rachael West (23:47):
Sometimes.
Jim Vaughan (23:48):
Sometimes?
Aaron Chapin (23:49):
Maybe you want to praise us for all the great shows that we've done. Maybe you've got some critiques. Maybe you want advice from Rachel.
Jeff Ney (23:56):
Oh my goodness, she switches-
Rachael West (23:57):
I get to give advice now.
Aaron Chapin (23:58):
Well.
Jeff Ney (23:59):
Season 2 is the Season of Rachel.
Aaron Chapin (24:01):
It might be the season of the woman.
Jeff Ney (24:03):
That's fantastic.
Aaron Chapin (24:04):
That's right.
Jeff Ney (24:05):
Wow.
Aaron Chapin (24:05):
Well, if you're going to do it, you got to send us an email at podcast@psea.org. Thanks again for listening. I am Aaron Chapin.
Jeff Ney (24:13):
And I'm Jeff Ney.
Rachael West (24:14):
And I'm Rachel West.
Aaron Chapin (24:15):
And you have been listening to Duty Free Lunch. Bye for now.
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