Aaron sits down one-on-one with Melissa Costantino-Poruben in the first of a special spring series honoring outgoing PSEA Board members. A longtime math teacher and PSEA’s Senior NEA Director, Melissa shares what it’s really like to bridge state and national education advocacy, from chairing the NEA’s Friend of Education Committee to representing Pennsylvania at Education International in Argentina. She opens up about managing board responsibilities alongside family and classroom life, why she’s a passionate advocate for teacher sabbaticals, how the Corbett-era education cuts lit a fire under her to speak out, and why relationships are the real heart of this work.
Aaron sits down one-on-one with Melissa Costantino-Poruben in the first of a special spring series honoring outgoing PSEA Board members. A longtime math teacher and PSEA’s Senior NEA Director, Melissa shares what it’s really like to bridge state and national education advocacy, from chairing the NEA’s Friend of Education Committee to representing Pennsylvania at Education International in Argentina. She opens up about managing board responsibilities alongside family and classroom life, why she’s a passionate advocate for teacher sabbaticals, how the Corbett-era education cuts lit a fire under her to speak out, and why relationships are the real heart of this work.
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Voiceover:
Welcome to Duty Free Lunch, the official podcast of the Pennsylvania State Education Association. Join us as we unpack the issues that matter most to you. From cutting edge classroom strategies to thought-provoking policy discussions, if it impacts PSEA members, it's on the menu.
Aaron Chapin:
Hello, and welcome to Duty Free Lunch. I'm PSEA President, Aaron Chapin. That's right, you heard it correctly, I'm the only one hosting the podcast today. I'm sure you're going to miss everybody. I'm going to mess it up somehow. Usually my partners, my fellow officers keep me on track, but we're going to do things a little bit differently.
As you all know, from time to time, we like to spotlight PSEA members who are doing the work of this association, not just in their locals, but we also talk about state stuff and the national stuff, too. So today's guest is someone who's been doing exactly that.
So that's where this episode's going to be a little bit different. We're going to be running a series of podcasts this spring, highlighting the work of four outstanding members who have been on PSEA's board of directors, and after many years of service, they're stepping away from these roles.
You all know PSEA has greatly benefited from their leadership and service over the years, and they've attended countless weeknight, weekend meetings, conferences in their regions across the state, too. And don't forget about nationwide stuff. It's a lot of time away from their families and their normal lives. All along the way, they've been great defenders of public education in Pennsylvania.
But what's even more important while we're doing these special episodes is, I'm kind of being selfish here. I've scheduled these podcasts to host them all by myself to share with you. I want the opportunity to talk with, one-on-one with these people, share their inspirational stories to you, our listeners.
I've enjoyed working, excuse me, by their sides every step of the way, because these are four amazing leaders. They've really helped PSEA through some very turbulent years. They've done a lot for our colleagues and students, but even more important, these four individuals have great hearts. So I'm in great awe, and let's get right to it because I, if I continue, I'm sure I will get a little teary-eyed, and that's not good for podcasting.
So joining us today for this episode, we've got Melissa Costantino-Poruben, and most of you, because you can't say her name and I can't most times either, it's MCP to all of you. She's a longtime teacher, proud PSEA board member, and she is our current Senior NEA Director. Melissa, welcome back to the podcast.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Thank you.
Aaron Chapin:
That was a pretty long intro, wasn't it?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
It really was.
Aaron Chapin:
I know. I know. You were on this podcast like what, a year and a half ago for ACE Days, ACE Lobby Days?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yeah. Total advocacy. Great day.
Aaron Chapin:
I think you were here with Gretchen Osterman.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I was.
Aaron Chapin:
Not Osterman.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Isn't she the greatest?
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah. Well, and who knew six years ago you're going to be on the podcast with me?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Who knew?
Aaron Chapin:
We were campaigning together statewide, via Zoom.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
So many meetings. So many texts.
Aaron Chapin:
That's right. We listened to each other's speeches, over and over.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Again and again and again.
Aaron Chapin:
I know, and you still continue to talk to me, so I appreciate it. So you ready to jump into this?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Let's do this.
Aaron Chapin:
I know you're excited. You're a little nervous, aren't you?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Always.
Aaron Chapin:
Always. But you're going to be great. And look, just like the work you've done. And so, for our folks that may not know what a Senior NEA Director actually does, give us a sense of your role, and what does it look like day-to-day when you do this work?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Okay. Can I start out by giving a shout-out to all the other Senior NEA Directors?
Aaron Chapin:
Other Senior NEA Directors?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yeah.
Aaron Chapin:
States have them?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
No, no, no, no. The ones that I've worked under.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, okay.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Because here at PSEA, we've had such a line of amazing Senior Directors, and I've learned so much from them, so I just want to shout-out, give them some love right now.
Aaron Chapin:
You can go ahead.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Especially Dawn Blaus, because who doesn't love Dawn Blaus? But I learned so much from her, so much grace and poise.
Aaron Chapin:
She owes me a phone call, by the way.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Okay.
Aaron Chapin:
And by the time this airs, hopefully she's finally made good on that.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I hope she does.
Aaron Chapin:
I do, too.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
So, as a Senior Director, I really work with sharing what PSEA is doing to the national level, and sharing what NEA is doing to the state level. We have 17 congressional districts, and I have six other NEA directors. So, I am making sure all of the congressional districts are covered, making sure all of our organizing is happening for our lobby days. But also making sure that everybody is where they need to be, and we have everything covered when we're in Washington DC.
Aaron Chapin:
So you're like the den mother?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I am. I am. I have the greatest, greatest directors, so they take care of me, and I take care of them. I do all the newsletter that goes out to all the regions, I'm sure everybody reads word for word. And then I also do a lot of things like talking to congressional offices, sharing what we're doing at the state level, any advocacy work or requests.
I've served on a couple round tables. I've looked at a couple bills for Congresspeople. So, it's like the politics of education, from the teacher view.
Aaron Chapin:
Not every state has Senior Directors, though.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I think they do.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, not every state. There's a lot of states that only have one.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
One. So they call them... I mean, they call themselves Senior Directors, but they're single state Senior Directors.
Aaron Chapin:
Okay. Well, and for our listeners, not every state has seven NEA directors. We used to have eight just a couple of years ago, but it's all based upon...
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
It's based upon the number of members in the state.
Aaron Chapin:
And so, we have a pretty high number, compared to most states across the nation.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
We do. And I have to tell you that many other states are pretty envious of the team we have right now. We were just in DC last weekend, and they come up to me and they say, "How do you get everybody to work together?" It's really looking at the strengths of the team, and how we can all contribute.
Aaron Chapin:
I would have to agree with you. So, since you've been doing this now, you're finishing your sixth year, you've served on a number of national committees working with the NEA. Can you talk about some of those, and what the work involves?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Sure. As an NEA director, we go to the board meetings three times a year in DC, and then one time a year, wherever the RA is. So that's like our first responsibility. But our second responsibility is making sure we serve on all these committees. So I started off on the Professional Development Committee, and then they put me on a couple others.
So, I'm on the Read Across America Committee, which I really love, and the Friend of Education committee. I was in charge of the AI's Effects on Teaching and Learning last year. This year I'm on the Rethinking Schools Think Tank. So I have served on a ton of the committees. So, that's in addition to all of the responsibilities you have in the boardroom for NEA.
Aaron Chapin:
And on top of all the stuff that we make you do on the PSEA board of directors as well.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yes. So, you're attending your committee meetings, you're attending your board of director meetings, and then the PSEA board of director meetings. And of course, any of the committees you're on for statewide things.
Aaron Chapin:
So it's like you're working double duty.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I am. I am. But I love it. Some people would say like, "Oh, man. I have to go to a meeting." But for the most part, I really enjoy the work I'm doing, so it doesn't feel so bad.
Aaron Chapin:
So if I ask you about those committees, is there a favorite of those that you really loved that assignment the most?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
There are two, and it's hard to decide. The first one would be the Friend of Education Committee. That one doesn't have as many responsibilities, but the work it does is impactful, because it's the highest award that we give at the NEA level. So, I've had the joy of serving on that committee for the last five years, and we've had some incredible awardees. Judy Heumann was my first year, then Dolly Parton, then Quinta Brunson.
We have a big one for this year, and I'm the chair of that committee this year. Last week I stood at the microphone and announced it, so we could approve it at the board, and I'm going to keep it a secret.
Aaron Chapin:
You don't want to tell me it's me.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
No, no. But I got a standing ovation, and a clap.
Aaron Chapin:
Really?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
And it was for like, ever. And you know, standing in front of that boardroom is intimidating.
Aaron Chapin:
I know. I know.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
So that was really exciting.
Aaron Chapin:
I missed that last week. I stepped out for an hour, and look what I missed.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
The second committee... Aaron Chapin.
Aaron Chapin:
I know. I'm sorry. I needed a cup of coffee.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
The second committee is my Read Across America Committee, and I am a big reader. You know that.
Aaron Chapin:
Yep.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
So when they put me on that committee as a math teacher, I thought it was kind of silly for them to put the math teacher, but I am such a proponent of reading. So, I feel like Read Across America is a bipartisan issue, right? It's not a red issue or a blue issue, and we all want what's best for kids.
So, Read Across America is the most sought after website for all of NEA. So, if you've ever been on NEA.org, there are a lot of resources. Read Across America is the most searched up. So, we have a lot of resources available there. Of course, Read Across America is a year-long celebration, not just a day. So, if anybody's listening to this, I would definitely encourage them to go onto that website.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah. Even though this will probably come out maybe around April-ish, we'll be a little bit short of March, but as you said, it should be done all year long.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
It's a year-long celebration.
Aaron Chapin:
So I listened to all your assignments, and of course I know how much you do just with your job with NEA, but also as it comes back to Pennsylvania with your board of directors, as it kind of works into the board of directors and all the things that go on there. And then you've got, of course, you do stuff in the local, too, don't you?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I do. I do. So we're looking...
Aaron Chapin:
So, you're busy.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yeah.
Aaron Chapin:
How do you manage it all? Because it's not just you living at home. You've got a family. So, you've got your career, the family life, the union jobs. How do you juggle it all?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I think it's definitely something that you have to grow into. So when you step on the board, they don't give you all of these responsibilities. They come on over time, and they say, "Oh, she's handling what we're giving her right now. We can give her a little more. We can give her a little more." And of course, it's accepting those responsibilities.
So over time, I have accepted more and more responsibilities. What's helping this year is I'm on sabbatical. I just started my sabbatical on January 21st. So, I took a sabbatical like 11 years ago, and it was a really great year, and I've been saving up ever since.
Aaron Chapin:
I was going to ask you to share that, because I was shocked when I heard earlier this school year that that's what you planned for this moment, financially.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I did. I did. But I just knew that I wanted to be able to put all of my effort into finishing up my term, and I knew that something had to give, right? So, I love the work that I do here, and I just wanted to make sure that I was doing everything I could to finish up. I'm also getting ready to go to the summit and the ESP conference.
Of course, we had Super Week last week, and we have an upcoming Super Week, so there was a lot of time out of the classroom. So I was just so happy to be able to take a sabbatical. As teachers, we don't talk about sabbaticals enough. They really are a benefit that I feel like everybody should be thinking about, saving up for, and considering.
When we talk about teacher burnout, taking a sabbatical is a great way to repair some of that. It also gives you... I'm taking coursework right now, and I'm enjoying it. So, I'm learning a lot, and I'll have a lot to go back to my classroom with in the fall.
Aaron Chapin:
So it's basically the second half of the year you're off, doing your sabbatical?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yes. Yes. I only took a half-year. So, you could take a full year, but I thought it was best for our family just the half-year.
Aaron Chapin:
And then for anybody listening, is there something you owe the district afterwards, like time-wise?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yes. So, whatever you take off, you have to owe that back to them. So since I took off a half of a year, then I owe the district back a half a year.
Aaron Chapin:
Are you a big proponent and tell others that it's something you really should consider?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I think everybody should do it. Everybody. And there are certain people that this is, they plan for it. And other people, it's maybe a medical situation. But I'm lucky enough that this work was important to me, and I thought I could take the sabbatical half-year, and also give myself some time to really dig into the work of NEA and PSEA.
Aaron Chapin:
You just put a little bit away every paycheck, or something like that and just made it work out over time?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I did. I did.
Aaron Chapin:
I think back, because when I left to become Vice President of PSEA, I did not realize it until I was actually here at headquarters, but like a year into this job like, wow, I was really kind of burned out back at the local.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yes.
Aaron Chapin:
You don't really know until it's almost too late.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
And as teachers, we know that teacher burnout, it's a stressful job. Being able to not only take the sabbatical, but to look forward to it? I mean, when you're planning a trip, I look forward to planning the trip as much as I do that trip. So, I've been looking forward to this and getting to hang out.
I started my sabbatical by going to the MLT/WLT in St. Louis, and now in a couple of weeks I get to go to the summit where I'm presenting. There's a lot that goes along with when you're presenting at the national level, and being able to have the time to prepare is good.
Aaron Chapin:
Good advice. So, look, you've done a lot over the years, a lot in your time with NEA. What's your favorite memory? What really stands out of being one of the favorite things you've done?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
How much time do we have left?
Aaron Chapin:
Well, just keep talking, because Becky Pringle went for like 40 minutes the other episode.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Oh, okay. Well...
Aaron Chapin:
Go for it.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
What do you want me to talk about? You think I should talk about the White House? Do you think I should talk about Argentina?
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, no. You hit it. You tell me what you loved.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Well, I guess my first Super Week board meeting, I got randomly chosen to go to The White House.
Aaron Chapin:
That's pretty cool.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
It was so cool. There were like 12 of us or something that got chosen, randomly drawn. I got to go to the Elton John concert at the White House. It was incredible. He received a humanitarian award there for all the work he did with HIV/AIDS. But he didn't know he was getting the award, so it was like a big deal for him. There we were on the lawn, and there were people, and I was like, "Wow, this is amazing." So that was a highlight.
Aaron Chapin:
Going to The White House is pretty cool.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yes. Yes, absolutely. And totally unexpected, right?
Aaron Chapin:
[inaudible 00:15:03] the old East Wing.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yes. Hmm.
Aaron Chapin:
Hmm. Yeah.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Most recently, like two years ago, I got to go to Argentina to serve at Education International. So, think about the RA on a global scale, and you have people from every country that has a union, and that was really cool. We had headsets on that we could listen to what people were saying.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, so you wore the headset?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I did wear the headset.
Aaron Chapin:
You did wear it, then. Okay.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
But I can't speak all the languages, so it interpreted what they were saying and translated that. So, that was super cool just to be part of that landscape of David Edwards, who is from Pennsylvania. He's Education International's secretary-something.
Aaron Chapin:
I don't know. I don't know their positions there.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Executive Secretary, I think he is.
Aaron Chapin:
There you go.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
So he is amazing, and just watching that whole thing unfold was really cool.
But if I have to say one thing that's most memorable, it really is just the relationships you develop with people. I think we got into this job because we care about people, and we want to make a difference. For the first 20 years of my career, I worked for kids and their families and their communities.
When I made the switch to serve on the board of directors and to serve at the national level, it was really because I wanted to make a difference for our teachers and our educators, and the people that work in schools. So, I think if I had to pick out one thing, it's just all the little things that make it worthwhile. I like talking to people, I like being with people, and I like helping people.
I think regardless of what region it was in, there are those people that you would develop relationships with. So, if I had to pick one memorable moment, it's being around people that understand me, and I understand them, and really working towards one goal.
Aaron Chapin:
Going around to the region meetings, those exec meetings, they're pretty great. Even though they're on a regular basis, it's another meeting. I'm sure you enjoy popping in, giving your reports for a couple hours, and then off you go.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Well, it's not only just giving the report, it's the relationships you develop with the people that you sit next to, or the food, or just seeing what's going on in their district, and what they're going up against, or the wins that they've had, and the celebrations of that. So I think it's not The White House, and it's not international travel, but it's why you do this work, right? You do this work to be with people and to help.
Aaron Chapin:
Not for the accolades and all the fun little events that we get to attend every once in a while.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
We do get to attend some fun events, right?
Aaron Chapin:
Sure. But that's not why we do it.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
But within all the events, they're like the meetings. And I look forward to the meetings. It's the parades that we get to interact with people. I think that's what makes everything worthwhile.
Aaron Chapin:
You've been with Western region as an NEA director, because obviously you're from Western region.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I am.
Aaron Chapin:
But what other regions over... Because you cover the regions on that west side. So you've done Western.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
And then I did Southwest for my first two or three years. And then I've always done Western. And then when Denny Watson came onto the board, I switched up to Northwest region. So, I get to go to the Edinboro office quite often, and Jan Pearson is just killing it up there. So, it's always nice to see the enthusiasm of her members. And then I've filled in in the Midwest region, so I've been all over the western side of the state.
Aaron Chapin:
I know your advocacy, excuse me, didn't start overnight. Look, we've had a lot of conversations about how your union journey really began with the Corbett cuts.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
It did.
Aaron Chapin:
For everybody, you all remember back to the late 2000s. Your husband lost his job.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
If you remember the 2000s, getting a job was a really big deal in education, right? There were so many teachers in Pennsylvania, and it was really difficult to get into a classroom. And then...
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, yeah. We were furloughing teachers all over the place. My own local, we were fighting the save jobs, 50, 60 jobs at a time.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yes. So he finally got into the public schools. He was in a private school for quite some time, and he finally got into the public schools, and we were ready to start life, right? We were ready to have a baby, and it was like the perfect storm. And the Corbett cuts came in, and I asked myself, "If I'm not telling my story, who is?"
I had done some political work before that. I'd worked on some political campaigns. I'd been an attendee to our House of Delegates every year for a very long time. But that's when the Corbett Cuts came in, that I was like, "Okay. We need people speaking out against this, because if we're not speaking out, then people don't know."
So, we know that our stories are important. We know sharing our voice and what's happening is important. I think that's when it was a real kick in the butt for me.
Aaron Chapin:
The NEA Director job, it's just so different than the normal union jobs that we have here in the state. Because you're dealing with the local stuff, the state stuff, but the national stuff. It's a lot to juggle.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
It is. And there are certain things that our wins at the national level, it doesn't affect us here in Pennsylvania, and we consider it a big deal in NEA world. But at PSEA land, it's like, "It's okay." So I think when you think about what's happening nationally, and what's happening in our state, there's always a lot going on. We really just need to make sure, as advocates, we know and we can speak out about it.
Aaron Chapin:
Because there's a lot that you have to know. And you know a lot more just because of that national level. You've got a lot in that wheelhouse up there.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Some days.
Aaron Chapin:
Most days. What are you talking about? Real quick, relationships. Obviously you mentioned that when we were talking about the regions. You've developed a lot of relationships with different regions and the members that are there. And you add on that, we've got lawmakers you have relationships with. There's staff. There's the national leaders that you have immersed yourself in over the last six years.
What have you learned about what it takes to make impactful and productive relationships through this work?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
You have to really get to know the people that you're talking to, and working with. I always tell my students, "You are the average of the five people you spend most of your time with," right? So, when I think about the people I spend time with at the region level, or in my local, or at the state level, or at the national level, each of those categories, I have different people that I hang out with.
So, it's so incredibly important to surround yourself with people that appreciate you, lift you up. But also can add in their strengths to make you a better person. So, I'm so lucky to have my NEA Directors around me, because those are the people I spend most of my time with at statewide and nationally. Locally, I've had incredible presidents in my local, but also we have members that just really love their members and love the work that they're doing.
In the region, I have so many friends. When we walk into a meeting, we know that we can make an impactful difference for our members. So, I love going to regional meetings. I know some people really love virtual meetings. They like to skip them. But my favorite thing is to walk into a room, and to know that those people in the room care about the work that we're doing, care about their members, and care about our association work.
So, I'm very lucky that I've had the chance to develop really great relationships with people, and to really spend time and to help them become better people.
Aaron Chapin:
You've made some good friendships.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I have. I really have.
Aaron Chapin:
What do they say about unions, unionism and friendship?
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
You know, unionism really makes best friends. It does.
Aaron Chapin:
You are absolutely correct.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
That was such a leading question.
Aaron Chapin:
It was, but now I get 20 bucks, so, perfect.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Yeah.
Aaron Chapin:
Listen everybody, there are stories that I would love to have gone into here today. There's a great story from last May, but I can't.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
No. Well, I just want to tell the story of that one time we were walking across from the Senate building to the Congressional offices, and they let me through, but they didn't let you and Jeff through. They made you guys walk around, and they let me walk by, because clearly I had the look, and you guys looked like you were following me.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, that's not the story I was going to tell.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I know.
Aaron Chapin:
There's a great story about you standing up for every Pennsylvania public school against a very formidable politician.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I know the story.
Aaron Chapin:
And you didn't stand down.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I did not.
Aaron Chapin:
In fact-
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
And you didn't either, sir.
Aaron Chapin:
No, but she was out there in the hallway afterwards with some staffers giving them the love that they needed. And that really, that moment for me, will always represent who you are. And I know, look, this is one of the podcasts I have not looked forward to doing, but I really wanted to do it, because you mean a lot to this union, and you really mean a lot to me.
I can't imagine what it would've been not having you in my life. So thank you for everything you've done. Melissa, thank you for being here.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
Thank you for having me.
Aaron Chapin:
It's an absolute pleasure. Even if we did mess up the podcast by not wearing headphones half the time.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
I'm sorry. [inaudible 00:24:55].
Aaron Chapin:
I know. And now every guest will always have to wear headphones.
Melissa Costantino-Poruben:
You can make it the MCP rule.
Aaron Chapin:
That's right. And if you want to complain about how bad the quality was for the first half of the podcast, you can email me at podcast@psea.org. I am Aaron Chapin, and you've been listening to Duty Free Lunch. Bye for now.
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