Where did PSEA's power to bargain, organize, and strike actually come from? Aaron and Jeff sit down for a fascinating history lesson with Corey Gochenaur, a high school social studies teacher in the Susquenita School District with a passion for union history. From one-room schoolhouses in 1852 to the historic 1968 march of 20,000 teachers on the Capitol steps, Gochenaur traces how Pennsylvania educators have fought for 174 years for the rights members enjoy today.
Where did PSEA's power to bargain, organize, and strike actually come from? Aaron and Jeff sit down for a fascinating history lesson with Corey Gochenaur, a high school social studies teacher in the Susquenita School District with a passion for union history. From one-room schoolhouses in 1852 to the historic 1968 march of 20,000 teachers on the Capitol steps, Gochenaur traces how Pennsylvania educators have fought for 174 years for the rights members enjoy today.
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Voiceover:
Welcome to Duty Free Lunch, the official podcast of the Pennsylvania State Education Association. Join us as we unpack the issues that matter most to you. From cutting edge classroom strategies to though-provoking policy discussions, if it impacts PSEA members, it's on the menu.
Aaron Chapin:
Hello and welcome to Duty Free Lunch. I'm PSEA President Aaron Chapin. I'm here today with PSEA Vice President Jeff Ney. Greetings, Jeff.
Jeff Ney:
Greetings yourself, Aaron.
Aaron Chapin:
How's it going today?
Jeff Ney:
It's one of those days where you start thinking about a lot of things.
Aaron Chapin:
You know what I'm thinking about?
Jeff Ney:
What are you thinking about?
Aaron Chapin:
I'm not allowed to talk about it on the podcast.
Jeff Ney:
Oh, well, that's a different podcast.
Aaron Chapin:
But it'll be after five o'clock for all those of you listening. So hint, hint.
Jeff Ney:
Ooh.
Aaron Chapin:
That's right.
Jeff Ney:
All right.
Aaron Chapin:
Hey Jeff, tell me something.
Jeff Ney:
Go for it.
Aaron Chapin:
Are you the first union person in your family?
Jeff Ney:
I am not.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, please tell.
Jeff Ney:
So anybody who comes to Harrisburg and visits, come to my office. I have a plaque that my father created for me. My grandfather was part of the Printer's Guild. My father was part of the Newspaper Guild, and my mother continued my grandfather's trajectory into the Printer's Guild. So I come from a long line of union activists.
Aaron Chapin:
So the union world is not new to you.
Jeff Ney:
It is not.
Aaron Chapin:
Not me either. My grandfather was in the union in Massachusetts because he was working the power lines.
Jeff Ney:
Oh, okay.
Aaron Chapin:
Yep. Saved his job a lot of times. Had nothing but a great pension. We have a great love of unions in our family too.
Jeff Ney:
We even have a picture of my sister being pushed in a stroller on a strike line that my father and mother were walking in at the time.
Aaron Chapin:
We should put that out there on social media for everybody to see.
Jeff Ney:
I don't think my sister would like that.
Aaron Chapin:
We really don't care.
Jeff Ney:
Okay.
Aaron Chapin:
She probably doesn't follow you on social media. Does she?
Jeff Ney:
Yeah, she does.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh.
Jeff Ney:
Yes. And my niece.
Aaron Chapin:
Does she listen to the podcast though?
Jeff Ney:
She does listen to the podcast.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, wow. Oh, both your sister and your niece.
Jeff Ney:
Yes.
Aaron Chapin:
Your niece listens to it.
Jeff Ney:
Oh, Allison loves it.
Aaron Chapin:
She goes out for a jog in Penn State and she's listening to the podcast.
Jeff Ney:
I'm not sure if she's going out for a jog or anything like that, but probably on her drive to her student teaching.
Aaron Chapin:
I can't wait to have her on the podcast before I leave.
Jeff Ney:
That'd be great.
Aaron Chapin:
It is going to be great. Well, you know why I talked about all that?
Jeff Ney:
I'm assuming it has something to do with union history.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, we're talking about union history today.
Jeff Ney:
Oh my goodness.
Aaron Chapin:
It's almost like you've been doing this for three years. Joining us today is Corey Gochenaur. He's a high school social studies teacher in the Susquenita.
Jeff Ney:
There you go.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah, that's right.
Jeff Ney:
Very good.
Aaron Chapin:
Got that right everybody. Susquenita School District that's here next door to us in Perry County, which is part of the PSEA Southern region.
Jeff Ney:
The Southern Region.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, Corey has made it his mission to help members better understand where he came from and why it matters. And you might've been at the December 2024 House of Delegates when Corey proposed a new business item, which would require union history to be highlighted at every House of Delegates.
Jeff Ney:
Every single one.
Aaron Chapin:
That's right. And it passed, Jeff.
Jeff Ney:
It did. And not only did it pass, but he wound up being voluntold that he was going to be the one that was doing the voiceover.
Aaron Chapin:
Don't give too much away.
Jeff Ney:
Oh, come on.
Aaron Chapin:
So he's been bringing slideshows, trivia. He's been doing field trips to region meetings across the state to connect members to our history. And when you realize PSEA, Jeff, has been around for how many years?
Jeff Ney:
75?
Aaron Chapin:
174, but thank you. Come on, 74.
Jeff Ney:
Well, you yelled at me last time.
Aaron Chapin:
We got a past president who's like 79-
Jeff Ney:
You yelled at me the last time I gave you the right answer.
Aaron Chapin:
Anyway, you start to understand just how much of a story there is to tell. So anyway, Corey, we've really stretched this out enough. Corey, welcome to the podcast, buddy.
Corey Gochenaur:
Hey, It's great to be here guys. I really appreciate the opportunity to hang out with you guys.
Aaron Chapin:
You've got a voice for podcasting.
Corey Gochenaur:
You're not the first person who's told me that.
Jeff Ney:
Oh he does.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, you're not getting this job. It's all mine. So let's get started. As I said, you're a social studies teacher. Obviously history is your wheelhouse. So what made you realize that PSEA members needed a stronger connection to our own union?
Corey Gochenaur:
Well, that's a good question, Aaron. Before we start-
Aaron Chapin:
Thank you.
Corey Gochenaur:
I just wanted to make one comment. Actually, we have to give the credit to Judy Martin, who is now one of our retired members. That's who actually made the MBI proposal at that House of Delegates. She was the one who actually put it forth. I certainly probably helped her in discussing it, but I want to make sure that Judy gets the credit for that because I know that was really important to her.
Aaron Chapin:
And she super excited when she was seconding [inaudible 00:04:33]. So yes, if she's listening, thanks Judy.
Corey Gochenaur:
Yes. So to the question that you asked about why our members need to have a stronger connection to our own story, I think a lot of it has to do with how we teach history. We do a good job talking about the 1930s and the idea of private sector workers getting the right to organize joint unions. There's a lot of famous things that happened there like the Flint sit-down strike, the passage of some laws at the federal level, but we never really talk about public employees or specifically teachers ourselves. And that era comes later in the '60s or '70s, and we're now reaching a point where those firsthand stories are not present in the locals anymore. Most of the people who have fought those battles and their battles and people sacrificed tremendously within our own state to the point of people being jailed and in prison and defying court orders and return to work orders.
I think our younger members especially almost feel like the current state is how it is and how it's always going to be. And I think that it's so important for them to understand that there's a story here. And what I have found is once we start to talk about teachers and other education employees standing up for their rights, standing up for their students' rights, that there's a fire to learn more. And I think that just goes with our nature as being educators and learners. And once people realize that we have our own story to share, they want to know more about it. And that's what I found as I have brought this to our members in a variety of different ways.
Aaron Chapin:
I agree.
Jeff Ney:
As Aaron pointed out, I mean, PSEA has been around for 174 years. Quick math, that means that PSEA was founded in 1852. That means just 76 years younger than the United States, which is famously celebrating its 250th anniversary. Aaron, do you know the name of it?
Aaron Chapin:
I'm exhausted by remembering it.
Jeff Ney:
Semi-quincentennial.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh my God. Okay.
Jeff Ney:
And so when you share that we've been around since the 19th century, what reaction do you typically see from those rank and file members that you talk to and what public education was like back in Pennsylvania at that time?
Corey Gochenaur:
I think they find it hard to believe. And if you think about it really is amazing. If you think about the 1850s, I mean, we're still talking about one room schoolhouses and there was still this understanding that teachers needed to organize. I think that it's always worth remembering that for a long part of the history of PSEA and NEA, that we were a professional association foremost. So understanding that dynamic I think is important to that. But the idea that there was a handful of teachers in a variety of states, there was multiple states who had teacher associations before the national association was founded. It was founded in 1857, 5 years after PSEA was founded. I think it's really remarkable to people.
In the 1850s, you had kind of this changing dynamic from the one room schoolhouse to more government oversight of schools. You have the county superintendent law that creates county superintendents in Pennsylvania in 1854, I believe. And then you also have in 1857, the creation of the state teacher colleges. I think at that time they called them normal schools, but by the 1920s, that would kind of create that system of public colleges that were focused on educating teachers. I think there was this idea of trying to create a common public education. So I think it was natural then that the teachers and other people who were involved in that work would want to organize. So I think that the idea that we've been around so long is hard to believe at first for our members, but as we talk about it just makes natural sense. Any person who works wants to have a say in their workplace. And I don't view teachers any differently.
Aaron Chapin:
That's right. And I know a lot of our colleagues, and it's not a knock on them. I didn't really even know either until I started becoming a local president. But collective bargaining, our rights didn't arrive here in Pennsylvania until Act 195 came around, 1970.
Jeff Ney:
Yeah.
Aaron Chapin:
The year I was born.
Jeff Ney:
Famously.
Aaron Chapin:
Famously. So I mean, it's not that long ago that we finally got collective bargaining rights. So Corey, how did that law really change things for educators in Pennsylvania? And why was it such a turning point?
Corey Gochenaur:
I mean, it's probably the most transformational thing that's happened in the terms of working conditions for teachers in Pennsylvania and a variety of other states. It's the idea of institutionalizing that relationship and legalizing the relationship between teachers, education, employees and the administration and the boards.
The other important thing that Act 195 did was it actually created a framework for the legal right to take a strike, which is such an unusual thing to see across the state. At the time, Pennsylvania was only the second state who had a legal right to strike. Hawaii came first also in 1970. We came second. And I think that that ushered in an era of a 20-year period of just complete militancy among education employees in Pennsylvania in demanding their rights and improved schools for their students and kind of connecting those two. To the point that by 1992, there actually was somewhat of a backlash to the amount of power that education employees had gotten that we saw Act 88, which still allowed for certain rights, but it has limited some of the ways that we can take certain actions.
So I think that that 20-year period, you saw so many teachers across this state taking a stand for themselves and their students that it's just foundational to who we are now. And I think the Pennsylvania teachers struggle to understand that teachers in other states don't necessarily have the same power and rights that we have. And if you ever go to a national event or the RA, you see that when you interact with members from other states who don't have the right to collective bargaining. And it's hard to even process that for us. I always say it's kind of like it's our birthright in this state-
Aaron Chapin:
Very different. Very different.
Corey Gochenaur:
... Some of these rights.
Jeff Ney:
Okay, Corey, so before Act 195, before we had formal bargaining rights and you are now talking to members, what it would be like to be an advocate for your profession at that time, what are the things that when you say these are the things that had to be done to bargain that people are very surprised about?
Corey Gochenaur:
Well, I think that when we think of the labor movement and unions, I think that there's two common threads that you see. There's the idea of collective bargaining and almost the bureaucracy of the whole process. But at its foundation, it's the idea of organizing and solidarity and taking action. So in a variety of different ways we saw action. Some people would term coins like collective begging, which almost has a derogatory meaning to it. But still, before teachers were comfortable with the idea of being in unions and taking action that union members would, we would see them go to boards as an organized group and seek out wage improvements or improvements to the school facilities or to the students' day. And they would have to kind of beg the board to get that, but we still saw that action.
In Pennsylvania famously, we had versions of withholding labor before strikes were legal and we called them such terms as the chalk dust flu, which is a famous term that came up in the 1960s when teachers were taking these rights. But March 1968 is such a transformative month, not just in Pennsylvania, but across the nation in terms of these rights. We have a famous moment here on March 4th in 1968 where we had 20,000 members not be in their school. Now some got permission from their school superintendents and boards, but some didn't and chose to come anyways. And they rallied in Harrisburg at the Capitol steps for increased salaries. I know that back when we had the 50th anniversary of that, PSEA did a lot of work in publicizing that. So some people are familiar with that. I think it's important to remember that at that point they were seeking changes to the compensation laws, but the power of that led to the creation of the Hickman Commission, which Governor Shafer created who was a Republican. And that is what led to the introduction of what became Act 195 and our formal bargaining rights.
But in that same month in Florida, you had a statewide strike of teachers. In Montgomery County, Maryland, you had a suburban strike, which was one of the first times that we saw a labor movement really move to the suburbs. And you also had the sanitation strike taking place in Memphis where ultimately Dr. King would be assassinated in April of 1968. So when I have talked to our members and we've paired something as significant as that to our members also seeking their same rights within that same month timeframe, I think it's pretty empowering.
Jeff Ney:
Okay. So you touched a little bit on it, Corey. You've taken this passion that you have for union history beyond slideshows and even you've organized field trips and certain events. Listeners, if you're out there and you go to Gettysburg, just walk around with Corey. He'd be happy to give you a little tour that goes there. But tell us about one of those experience that really resonated that you pointed out to members as walking around or you had a conversation. What really stood out to you?
Corey Gochenaur:
Well, I'll point out a serious one and then a humorous one, I think. The first field trip that we organized, and we in the Southern region created a labor education committee. And again, there was multiple members who had a role in that. So I never want to take sole credit for any of this. We've had multiple people play a massive role in all of this. But we took a field trip to the York Agricultural & Industrial Museum in the summer, in the weeks between the RA and the Gettysburg Conference. And then something we learned in early planning was you can't pick a date before you know for sure that the place is open. So we had picked a date and we had registered about 20 members and staff, and then we realized that, oh, they're not open on Mondays.
Jeff Ney:
Oops.
Corey Gochenaur:
But in our luck, they actually were willing to work with us once we explained what we were doing and what we represented. They actually opened up the building on that Monday and kind of allowed us to have a two-hour private kind of tour of the museum.
Jeff Ney:
Wow.
Corey Gochenaur:
And for our members and staff who got to go that day, we had a blast and it was a great time. And then the funny story would be when we were doing just a historical walk, it wasn't really labor-specific, but just the historical walk of Gettysburg. I don't think that President Chapin ever expected that when he was getting out of his car on the second or third level of the parking lot, that we would also emerge with about 60, 70 members to point out a statue there. So there's a couple photos that are around there of him waving down to the crowd. So I think that our members really enjoyed having that experience. I hope he did as well.
Aaron Chapin:
It was funny. It was.
Jeff Ney:
Elevated up.
Aaron Chapin:
I want a statue there.
Jeff Ney:
Did you give him the speech?
Aaron Chapin:
I tried, but Corey, he's trying to get-
Jeff Ney:
He kept moving.
Aaron Chapin:
He kept moving them on.
Jeff Ney:
Yeah, he moves fast.
Aaron Chapin:
So Corey, as someone who teaches civic engagement every day, do you see these parallels between teaching your students their history and helping educators understand union history?
Corey Gochenaur:
Yeah, that's a really great point. And I think that that is probably one of the key places where this have come from. I specifically recently got to start teaching an elective on PA history. And over time, we have really realized that there's more to our history in this state than just Ben Franklin, William Penn in Gettysburg. And how do you fill the second half of that year? Well, we realized that it has to do mainly with coal mines and steel mills. So just naturally over time, labor history became a large part of that. And what I found was the students love that history. They love people's history. They love what we call bottom-up history, where you focus on the experiences of individuals and workers as opposed to institutions and authority figures all the time. And I feel that our members are the same way. And ultimately, if you think about it, most people who work in education are just adult students who love to learn and want to continue learning. So I think that that combination really makes a lot of sense.
Aaron Chapin:
I agree.
Jeff Ney:
One of the things, Corey, you and I have talked about in the past is the newer educators that come into the classroom, sometimes they just don't understand exactly how we got here. They just figured all of these contracts just came out of thin air and they just are going to exist forever. And they don't realize how much of the history of how we got to where we are is so important to remember because we always know we're doomed to repeat it if we don't learn it. So how do you make this story, especially here with PSEA and the union, feel relevant to those day-to-day classroom experiences that they're delivering every day?
Corey Gochenaur:
I think that's the ultimate question. And I think that that is where we try to find the combination between our need and our requirement to be politically engaged to understanding our history. And I think that if there's anything that our members should remember, it's exactly what you just said. I mean, you couldn't have said it any better. This is not a relationship that just exists because both sides agree for it to exist. And I always think back to the famous quote by Frederick Douglass about, "Power concedes nothing with a demand and it never has and it never will." And I think that that quote in itself really speaks to a lot of this.
I think that every person desires the dignity of labor that they're deserved. I think that every person who's an educator also wants to have a voice to create the best school for the students and families that they serve. And having your own voice and your own power to have that voice I think is the only way that you can do that. So by understanding that this was a battle that has been won, and that these rights that we now enjoy and that this bargaining process or whatever it is that we have was something that we had to earn ourselves, I think that you take ownership over it. And I think that that's what is most important.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, guess what, Jeff?
Jeff Ney:
What's that Aaron?
Aaron Chapin:
We're going to do something a little different.
Jeff Ney:
Are we?
Aaron Chapin:
Look, we always have a bonus question at the end.
Jeff Ney:
We do.
Aaron Chapin:
But we're also going to throw in some pop quiz questions that I don't believe Corey has had a chance to see. We've got five questions for you, Corey.
Corey Gochenaur:
Every history teacher's dream.
Aaron Chapin:
Five questions you've got to pass. So it means you can get one wrong.
Jeff Ney:
Or what? He doesn't get the podcast released?
Aaron Chapin:
We may not let him do union history at the [inaudible 00:19:34].
Jeff Ney:
I'm going to show you what the answer is.
Aaron Chapin:
No.
Jeff Ney:
I don't want to lose you there.
Aaron Chapin:
All right. So Jeff, maybe we'll get a ding or eh by our sound effects.
Jeff Ney:
We're going to see.
Aaron Chapin:
All right. Hit it, Jeff. First question.
Jeff Ney:
We said the PSEA was founded in 1852. Who was elected as its very first president?
Corey Gochenaur:
Well, I feel confident that I know this one. I believe it's Thomas Burrows.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, that is correct.
Jeff Ney:
Wait, wait, wait. This one doesn't count.
Aaron Chapin:
Who was the last president to be elected?
Corey Gochenaur:
To be elected? Well, I don't think that I need the answer to that. I think I'm sitting across from-
Jeff Ney:
That's right.
Aaron Chapin:
All right. All right. Go ahead, Jeff. Next question.
Jeff Ney:
All right. True or false? PSEA originally started as a collective bargaining organization. Well, if you were listening to the podcast.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, maybe Corey wasn't listening.
Jeff Ney:
Maybe he wasn't listening.
Corey Gochenaur:
I mean, the answer is false. But again, I think that that's so important. The idea that this merging of a professional association and then later a part of the largest labor union in America. So the answer is false.
Aaron Chapin:
Nice job. You're two for two.
Jeff Ney:
Two for two.
Aaron Chapin:
All right.
Corey Gochenaur:
This is where it all falls apart.
Jeff Ney:
All right. Wow, these are specific. In 1895, Pennsylvania passed a major education law requiring children of ages 8 to 13 to attend school for at least how many consecutive weeks?
Aaron Chapin:
Wow.
Corey Gochenaur:
That I don't know.
Jeff Ney:
Yeah, that's [inaudible 00:21:01].
Corey Gochenaur:
But if it's consecutive weeks, I mean, I'll take the best guess of a marking period and say 12.
Aaron Chapin:
So close.
Jeff Ney:
The correct answer is 16 consecutive weeks.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, it was the right train of thought.
Corey Gochenaur:
It was.
Jeff Ney:
It was a semester because the consecutive weeks doesn't have to be every day of that week.
Aaron Chapin:
You get a half point.
Corey Gochenaur:
I take any half points.
Aaron Chapin:
You might need it.
Corey Gochenaur:
I might need it. You're right.
Aaron Chapin:
All right Jeff, all right. Fourth question.
Jeff Ney:
Multiple choice. In 1903, Pennsylvania adopted its first minimum salary law for teachers. We're still fighting this battle.
Corey Gochenaur:
We are.
Jeff Ney:
What was the monthly rate on this? Now you got to break it down for monthly.
Aaron Chapin:
You got four choices.
Jeff Ney:
All right. Was it $15, $25, $35 or $50?
Corey Gochenaur:
Well, I mean, I'm just going to have to go with the lowest amount. I think it's 15.
Jeff Ney:
35.
Corey Gochenaur:
Wow. Not too bad.
Jeff Ney:
So $35 a month. Could you imagine that, Aaron?
Corey Gochenaur:
No.
Jeff Ney:
All right. Another multiple choice.
Aaron Chapin:
Fifth question.
Jeff Ney:
In 1968, how many Pennsylvania teachers marched on the state capital that you had referenced in one of your things demanding action on salaries and school funding? Was it 5,000? 10,000? 20,000 or 50,000?
Corey Gochenaur:
Well, I'm proud to say that if you listen back, I think I referenced it as 20,000. I'm confident.
Jeff Ney:
20,000.
Aaron Chapin:
Nicely done.
Corey Gochenaur:
That means I passed, right?
Aaron Chapin:
I'm going to give ... Actually, you will because you got a half point. It gives you a 70.
Corey Gochenaur:
I'll take it.
Aaron Chapin:
Nice job, Corey. 70%.
Corey Gochenaur:
It's like my math grade.
Aaron Chapin:
I'm going to do the last one.
Jeff Ney:
I feared you would let him do the last one.
Corey Gochenaur:
No, too bad.
Jeff Ney:
He's going to stump us both. You're afraid.
Aaron Chapin:
So here's your bonus question, Corey. What's your favorite piece of PSEA trivia that you always get a big response from our colleagues from?
Corey Gochenaur:
I would say that it would be that the ESPs were not originally included as members of PSEA. The exact year, I think it's 1995, but I know that in 1980, NEA offered membership to ESP, but it took us about 15 years longer to complete that process. So I wouldn't say it's a favorite in the sense that people are super excited to hear it, but I don't think that people realize that the idea that we have now of this relationship of all of us being together has always been a thing. And I think that that is something that people are usually shocked to learn.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah. It's a relatively new thing.
Jeff Ney:
Do you want my favorite piece?
Corey Gochenaur:
Sure.
Jeff Ney:
Wow.
Corey Gochenaur:
I'm excited to hear it.
Jeff Ney:
PSEA actually started off, the association was actually administration, not actually classroom teachers.
Aaron Chapin:
That's your best piece of trivia?
Jeff Ney:
Well, it's the one that gets the best response. You got one?
Aaron Chapin:
No. No.
Corey Gochenaur:
He doesn't have to. He's president.
Aaron Chapin:
If you'd like to complain, you can just email us at podcast@psca.org.
Jeff Ney:
Or maybe you have your own trivia question.
Aaron Chapin:
Yes. If you've got your own-
Jeff Ney:
Oh, there's a good one.
Aaron Chapin:
Piece of PSEA trivia, email us. You saw the address. Corey, we are out of time.
Corey Gochenaur:
Okay. We made it.
Aaron Chapin:
We really appreciate you coming in here, Corey.
Corey Gochenaur:
Oh, I appreciate you coming. Thank you so much.
Aaron Chapin:
And look, we've seen it start down in the Southern region and blossom up into the state level. And it's a great history lesson for us. And it is a really, especially right now at this point in history, we need this more than ever. Would you agree?
Corey Gochenaur:
Oh, 100% I do.
Aaron Chapin:
That's a good thing you agree because again, otherwise you're not coming back to do your job.
Corey Gochenaur:
That's fair. Now I got the mug, that's all it matters.
Aaron Chapin:
You got your mug. Yeah, that's right. Do not put it in the dishwasher.
Jeff Ney:
[inaudible 00:24:31].
Corey Gochenaur:
That's good to know. That's good to know-
Aaron Chapin:
... We give that advice.
Jeff Ney:
And wash only.
Aaron Chapin:
Again, thank you very much, Corey. It's great having you here in person, and we're really proud that you're our colleague.
Corey Gochenaur:
Well, I appreciate it guys. Thank you so much.
Aaron Chapin:
Hey, you heard us earlier. You got feedback. You got a trivia question. You want to talk to Corey? Maybe you're intrigued by his deep voice for podcasts. Maybe you want to give him an offer, podcast@psea.org. Everybody, I'm Aaron Chapin.
Jeff Ney:
And I'm Jeff Ney.
Aaron Chapin:
And you have been listening to Duty Free Lunch.
Corey Gochenaur:
Bye for now.
Voiceover:
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