NEA President Becky Pringle returns to "Duty Free Lunch" for a powerful and personal conversation about attacks on educators, the future of public education, and Pennsylvania’s outsized role in protecting democracy. From union advocacy and cellphone policy to joy, resilience, and a surprise reunion with a former student, this episode blends heart, humor, and urgency at a pivotal moment for schools and educators nationwide.
NEA President Becky Pringle returns to "Duty Free Lunch" for a powerful and personal conversation about attacks on educators, the future of public education, and Pennsylvania’s outsized role in protecting democracy. From union advocacy and cellphone policy to joy, resilience, and a surprise reunion with a former student, this episode blends heart, humor, and urgency at a pivotal moment for schools and educators nationwide.
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Voiceover:
Welcome to Duty Free Lunch, the official podcast of the Pennsylvania State Education Association. Join us as we unpack the issues that matter most to you. From cutting edge classroom strategies to thought-provoking policy discussions, if it impacts PSEA members, it's on the menu.
Aaron Chapin:
Hello and welcome to Duty Free Lunch. I'm PSEA President Aaron Chapin. I'm here today with PSEA Vice President Jeff Ney and PSEA Treasurer Rachael West.
Hello, Jeff.
Jeff Ney:
Hi, Aaron. How are we doing today?
Aaron Chapin:
Freezing.
Jeff Ney:
Yeah, I kind of figured. You're even bundled up in the studio.
Aaron Chapin:
I know. I had to get more clothes on. It's so cold out.
Rachael, how are you doing?
Rachael West:
I'm warm and toasty because I have enough layers on to stay warm today.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, you guys look fantastic. We're going to get right to work. Because today's guest is too important not to get to right away. We're going to be welcoming back to the podcast, second time she's back. It's the NEA President, the National Education Association President.
Jeff Ney:
Wow.
Aaron Chapin:
And of course, proud PSEA member, Becky Pringle.
Becky, how you doing? Thanks for joining us.
Becky Pringle:
I'm great. Now you did not ask me what I was wearing, but I too am warm because I have on my PSEA-
Aaron Chapin:
Oh.
Jeff Ney:
Look at that.
Becky Pringle:
Yeah. Yeah.
Aaron Chapin:
I did not see the logo. Everybody, she's wearing a beautiful red PSEA jacket. Where's that from?
Becky Pringle:
You know what?
Aaron Chapin:
Which region?
Becky Pringle:
I've been a PSEA member for years, so I have tchotchkes from every ... I have stuff from every region. I thought I'd pull out one of my region shirts too. So our PSEA members know that my love goes to every region and throughout the great state of Pennsylvania. And I want you to know that I also have my-
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, she's got her duty free lunch mug. I can't believe she still has it.
Becky Pringle:
Yes.
Aaron Chapin:
Wow. Oh, we gave you a second one too.
Becky Pringle:
Yeah, so I'm warm.
Aaron Chapin:
Yes, we've given you two.
Becky Pringle:
And I'm staying hydrated.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, before we get started, Becky, before we jump into all the great questions that we have for you, we have a surprise for you before you get started. Oh, first of all, it's not your NEA directors. They are not going to come running in the room. Sorry. It's not that.
Jeff Ney:
Well, that would have been good though.
Aaron Chapin:
That would've been pretty good.
Jeff Ney:
That would've been pretty good.
Becky Pringle:
That would've been great.
Aaron Chapin:
So Becky, back in the day, you used to be a pretty great science teacher right here.
Becky Pringle:
Yes, I was. I was fabulous.
Aaron Chapin:
Did you love all your students?
Becky Pringle:
What?
Aaron Chapin:
Did you love all your students?
Becky Pringle:
I really did.
Aaron Chapin:
That's the correct answer.
Becky Pringle:
I did love them.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, joining us today, Becky Pringle, is one of your former students. And she works here at headquarters at PSEA. Let's bring her on in.
Jeff Ney:
Yay.
Aaron Chapin:
Joining us everybody, it's Jennette Harrison.
Jennette Harrison:
Hi.
Aaron Chapin:
If you guys could see the look on the president's face.
Jennette Harrison:
You look so shocked. I wasn't sure you would remember me after these few short years since middle school.
Becky Pringle:
A few short years. Oh my God. I didn't [inaudible 00:03:24] working at PSEA.
Aaron Chapin:
She works up on the seventh floor with our executive team and she's done a great job. You've been there for what, three months now?
Jennette Harrison:
Three months now.
Aaron Chapin:
It's been awesome. She's one of our favorites. And she has fit in perfectly. And she wanted just to see you.
Jennette Harrison:
Yeah.
Becky Pringle:
Oh my gosh. That makes me so happy.
Aaron Chapin:
See, isn't that a great way to start your weekend?
Becky Pringle:
It is a perfect way to start my week. As educators, we sometimes lose track of our students and how they're doing. Some come back and let us know. But now I have live in person.
Aaron Chapin:
Exactly.
Jennette Harrison:
Yes.
Becky Pringle:
Yay.
Jennette Harrison:
I also wanted to let you know, I saw you do a forum with Color of Change recently. I used to work with it.
Becky Pringle:
Ah, yes.
Jennette Harrison:
So it's full circle moments.
Becky Pringle:
Oh, I'm glad you joined us. We were talking about vouchers, something you're very familiar with here in Pennsylvania and why our parents of color in particular need to join in our fight against the schemes that are taking money out of our public schools.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah. Jennette, your teacher right there.
Jennette Harrison:
Thank you. It's so good to see you.
Becky Pringle:
What a great surprise.
Aaron Chapin:
Thank you. Jennette, thank you for coming on and saying hi.
Becky Pringle:
Okay.
Jennette Harrison:
Thank you.
Becky Pringle:
[inaudible 00:04:41].
Jeff Ney:
Well, Becky, it was even nice. I mean, during Jennette's interview, she brought your name up as well, so probably looking to get in good with us.
Becky Pringle:
Well, there you go.
Excellent. You're welcome, Jennette.
Aaron Chapin:
She's on her way. Goodbye. Thank you, Jennette.
Jeff Ney:
Thank you, Jennette.
Aaron Chapin:
All right, everybody. Let's get to some questions. That was fun, Becky. See, look at that. We surprised you.
Becky Pringle:
Yes, that made my day.
Aaron Chapin:
So Becky, you've spent several years leading NEA. Of course, everybody knows this is your last year. It's hard to believe that the six years is coming to an end. It just seems like it just started. And look, you tell us, everybody, all the time just how turbulent it's been for NEA, but you know public education's been turbulent as well. So what feels most different today when you're doing this, thinking about your job compared to when you started five and a half years ago as president? What's different? What's the biggest difference?
Becky Pringle:
Whoa. I got to believe that you have no other questions other than that one. That would take up an entire podcast.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, you're going to have to keep it short.
Becky Pringle:
Oh no, I never do that.
Aaron Chapin:
I know.
Becky Pringle:
But here's the thing, and I've been around a long time. I started teaching in 1976.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh my gosh.
Becky Pringle:
So I've seen a lot. And I became active in my local in the mid 80s. And so I just want you to kind of process all of the things, the turbulence, the challenges that we've gone through over those decades. And even more recently, what challenges we faced in the first Trump administration when we were fighting against cuts to education. Betsy DeVos was the ... And blast from the past, was the Secretary of Education, right?
Aaron Chapin:
Uh-huh.
Becky Pringle:
Yeah. And I know throughout that period of time, PSEA has gone through its own challenges with people in positions of power who were focused on destroying public education. But you know what? What is so different is the attacks specifically on educators, specifically on educators, individuals. As union members, they've always gone after us, right? Not in the way that they are now, I will say that's ramped up too, but individual educators.
And as I thought about that and how stark it is, I think about often, I think about all the time, the why. The why. Why? Why would they be attacking individual [inaudible 00:07:25]? And it ties into something you guys have heard me talk about before, that when you have people in positions of power who want more power, when they want to diminish the democratic voice and processes, rule of law, all of those things, you've heard a lot of people talking about authoritarianism and fascism. T.
Here's a lot that we have to learn throughout history. My dad was a social studies and history teacher, and he was very clear in his lessons to his three girls and certainly to his students, that going after the right to have a free quality public education for everyone, for every single person is something these strong men always do. They always go after that. They also go after those people and institutions like our own, but the people themselves who stand in their way.
And throughout history, educators have been those people. They worry about us because not only are we teaching the children, the students, but we're also teaching the larger public, the community about what's happening right now. And educators are the best, the most trusted voice in the communities. And we know what it takes. We have those skills to teach in ways that others can't. Combined with the fact that so many of those educators are also leaders within their unions, we of course are the natural people they attack.
So seeing that ratchet up in a way that is scary, and causes so much fear, and honestly threatens the safety of educators is something that is different now. The attacks on our professional rights and responsibility to use our voice to teach the complete history of this nation and how it impacts us to this day, those kinds of attacks that ratcheted have been ratcheted up in these last five and a half years. Though there are pieces of it that we saw, we've seen before, the volume, the intensity, and then just making it so personal is something that is different.
Jeff Ney:
So Becky, everything you just talked about, all the turmoil that's going on, let's put one thing on the table to make sure that everybody understands. It should go without saying that schools should be safe places and everybody deserves due process under the law. A lot of the rank and file members, you represent three million members across the country. What would you say to members in this time of great national uncertainty to kind of keep everybody on a level mindset?
Becky Pringle:
Oh, level mindset.
Aaron Chapin:
Good question.
Becky Pringle:
Yeah, I know. I know. I know. So I've had the opportunity to talk with our leaders in Minnesota, our state president there in Education Minnesota, as well as the local leaders, although what's happening in the state is going throughout the state, very, very much concentrated in Minneapolis area. So I've had a chance to have conversations with the local presidents in Minneapolis. And then just yesterday I was with the local president in St. Paul.
And in addition to conveying to us that the attacks are so pervasive throughout the region and they haven't stopped, no matter what you're hearing, or reading, or seeing, that they haven't stopped, and so they're still under significant attack. One of the things that ... Several of the things they talked to me about when I asked, "What would you do differently? How would you prepare?" actually started with education, educating yourself and others, educating yourself and others so you know what's happening and why. And educating others, taking that opportunity to communicate. Preparing, preparing, offering trainings, which I know PSEA takes very seriously. It's development of leaders throughout their continuum of leadership. We're specifically focused right now on making sure that all of our members have access to trainings like Know Your Rights, and non-compliance trainings, which we're doing in partnership with allies, and providing that training for our members throughout.
And then the next thing they talk about is building community, doing that now and doing it throughout. And coalition, so you're not in it alone. And that should be happening right now. The building of community is not only so that you can feel that collective strength and power, but you know, the thing I say to members as I talk to them is, they have to take care of themselves too.
Jeff Ney:
Uh-huh.
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, yeah.
Rachael West:
Absolutely.
Becky Pringle:
They have to take care of themselves. So to do that, they need to build a community of support around themselves. The safe physically, but also emotionally safe. And so building community is absolutely essential.
And then there's research on tying your sense of agency and ability to take action to joy. And you hear me you talk about joy all the time, joy as resistance. You got to find joy in the work that you do. And there's a tie between experiencing that joy and feeling that you can do something. And when I talk about taking action and activism, that there's a full spectrum, right? You guys are doing it all the time. We're doing it too. Sending out those action alerts and saying, "Please send a letter to your member of Congress to ask them for the state legislature [inaudible 00:14:04], to ask them to ensure that schools are safe zones, to ensure we're getting the education funding we need, to ensure that educators have what they need to do the jobs they love."
So taking action at whatever level is really, really important, and it helps to address that issue that we've got to have hope, we've got to have hope, and we have to have joy.
Rachael West:
I think it's like you got a preview of what I was going to say next, Becky, because one of the things I was going to ask you about is just looking at some of the positive things that our educators and our union are doing.
In November, PSEA backed candidates had a really strong showing in our elections, and with the race for the courts and other key contests. What do you think those results say about the power of education advocacy here in Pennsylvania?
Becky Pringle:
So for you all are listening to the podcast, so I just want to tell you that I was raising the roots as Rachael was saying that. So let me say this, I love my state. And I've just been bragging about you. I just do that generally, but I tell you what, as every day brings new challenges, we cannot forget the successes. And so I, no matter where I went, no matter what speech I was given or training I was in, I always use Pennsylvania as Exhibit A of what we can be thankful for, and what we can emulate, and what we can be proud of coming out of the election. I use Pennsylvania as an example of ...
And by the way folks, elections are at every level. They're at that local level, which you have done with school board races. Oh good, I've been talking about you. And you not only were able to win those hotly contexts school board elections, but you were able to expand majority some places, right, in some of the counties, and you were able to kick some people out who didn't care about our kids, or care about our schools, and care about our educators.
So Pennsylvania has been doing incredible work. And you are exhibit A, I use exhibit A, always, always, always. When I emphasize my verb number seven, verb number seven, elect.
Aaron Chapin:
I was going to say ... I was going to jump in and say that.
Jeff Ney:
I thought the A was Aaron.
Aaron Chapin:
No, the NEA directors all know what the verbs are. So they like recite them before they go to bed at night I hear.
Jeff Ney:
Oh, is that what they do?
Aaron Chapin:
That's what I hear.
Becky Pringle:
That is correct. I require that. That is correct. Educate, which I've already covered, communicate, which I've already covered. I'll be covering all seven by the time we're finished. Organize, mobilize, legislate, litigate, and elect.
So the work that you did to elect not just friends of public education, not just friends, but champions, champions of public education at every level. So the results there in Pennsylvania give others hope that it's possible. And I will say, I use you at every turn to help folks understand what you did, how you did it, how you did it, so that you can share those learnings with others.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, it kind of leads into the question I'm going to ask. So Becky, and we'll talk more about it when we see you in a couple of weeks, and I'm sure you already know, but one of our pushes this year at PSEA is our program called Keystone to Democracy, as well as the Education Defenders Program. And it gets to be a critical role this year for Pennsylvania when we deal with just not just what's going on in our state, but US politics, because obviously we're a very, very purple state. And so it's going to have a major impact in the November election.
So what kind of impact do you see PSEA members having on a national level stage? What's the effect going to be nationally for our Pennsylvania colleagues?
Becky Pringle:
Oh my goodness. I cannot possibly underscore what the important role that Pennsylvania plays. When I speak around the country, if I don't already know what the nickname of that state is, I find out and I work it in somehow. But I was thinking about ours, the Keystone State. My goodness, how appropriate is that?
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah.
Jeff Ney:
Well, how about that?
Aaron Chapin:
Rachael came up with it.
Jeff Ney:
Rachael did come up with that on a podcast-
Aaron Chapin:
She's brilliant.
Jeff Ney:
... We just ran with it.
Becky Pringle:
I'm saying, no pressure, Pennsylvania. You are holding the democracy in your hands, you literally are the keystone. I'm just saying, we're depending on you.
So here's the thing, we know that not only in this upcoming election, but in future elections, because at the NEA, we're actually looking out towards 2032. Some of us will be-
Aaron Chapin:
Old. I'll be gone. I'll be old and gone.
Jeff Ney:
Oh, goodness.
Becky Pringle:
Yeah. I'm not going to say old because I ain't never getting old, but I may not be in the thick of things, but we've got to be thinking now for that long of a period out. We have but to look toward election 2020 to understand now, we didn't understand that before, how just elections within states can impact in a national way, right, just certifying the election. Who knew?
Aaron Chapin:
Who knew?
Becky Pringle:
Who knew that state elected officials ... So we're paying attention to our elections at the state level from the state houses to the gubernatorial races, of course, and of course Pennsylvania, Supreme Court, thank you, thank you, thank you. We know how important those elections were, not only to the state, but decisions that are made that impact people in every other state. And so that's part of our message, as I certainly at the national level, talk about why we are helping in states.
Now, those are the connections people may not make. Now, the connections people will make is that we have some key elections there in Pennsylvania to Congress. They do make that connection because they know that Congress makes decisions, right? Whether you live in Arizona, or you live in Alabama, or you live in Arkansas, we know that Congress makes decisions that impacts everyone. They're elected in that state, but they make decisions for everyone. So we know that PA seven, and eight, and 10, key, key races for us nationally. So it's important, the work that you're doing is absolutely critical.
Now, one of the things I want to emphasize, you went over quickly, your education defenders program. And I want to say this, I'm so proud of you guys that this member driven program, you understand and are putting in place the reality that educators are that most trusted voices, having them be the ones that are leading or advocating, who are helping to create it itself.
So Aaron, I don't know if my team has reached out yet. I may be preempting that outreach, but I'm just saying, I'm going to be using you again front and center.
Jeff Ney:
Oh, you're going to be voluntold.
Becky Pringle:
I'm just saying, I'm calling on you, you know I will, to talk to other state leaders about our upcoming-
Aaron Chapin:
Okay. I'll make sure I show up.
Becky Pringle:
Yeah. PAC meeting, because what you're doing to center our member work, to raise the funds we need to do, to elect members at every level, at every level that impact our student safety, that impact, that they all can go to a welcoming, well resourced, inclusive school that impact whether we have a democracy, all of that Pennsylvania, you are the keystone state.
Aaron Chapin:
That's right.
Jeff Ney:
So I'm going to go circle back a little bit to the member driven association that PSEA is so proud to be. And one of the issues that our members kept bringing to the forefront was the banning of cell phones in classrooms. So right now we have Senate Bill 1014, which got out of committee with a unanimous vote, bipartisan, which you know how hard that is to actually happen. President Chapin actually had me give an interview today on the news so it's going to be airing. We've got the governor's support on it.
As far as the national level, do you have any insight or could you talk about NEA's stance on cell phone bans in our schools, bell to bell or what have you, across the country?
Becky Pringle:
We have, NEA has been sounding the alarm about just the impact of social media on our kids, just writ large in their lives, on their mental health, unfortunately their physical health sometimes. And certainly the use of cell phones in schools has become an issue front and center. You guys who came to the representative assembly, our, NEA's highest governing body, you know that that became an issue of conversation as well.
And so what we have been saying very, very clearly is that this is absolutely an issue that we need to take on, and we need to take it on holistically. Whether we're talking about cell phones or we're talking about AI, we need to take it on at once. We know that technology just writ large is not only part of our lives, but we understand the power it can have in what we do, right?
But we also, as educators and as unionists, we have to be the ones who also talk about the guardrail, making sure our students are safe, making sure they're safe, their information is safe, making sure that educators have a say in the decisions that are made. The use of cell phones, as that is front and side and center, not just in Pennsylvania, but across the country.
NEA, we decided that we wanted to do a survey of our members. And I wasn't surprised honestly by the outcome. 90% of our members support those solutions that lead to proper policies that ensure that our kids are safe, that they're focused on learning, and that educators are front and center in making those decisions. So when I talk to people about cell phone use policies, whether it's our associations, our unions, it's important for us as leaders to be in those conversations. That's absolutely essential where policy is being made. It's important for at every level educators to be in the conversation. Because some may come together, and parents in the community, and everyone together.
So some of them are saying, "Okay, we want to focus on a policy that is bell to bell," or, "We want to focus on a policy that is only in the classroom," but it is coming together as a community to make those decisions. Certainly for you to have that kind of bipartisan support says a lot about what the sentiment is in communities across Pennsylvania. And as you continue that work and as we continue that work nationally, it is about making sure that the decisions we make are student centered, and that it has educator, not just voice, I say voice a lot, but that they're part of that decision making. They're part of that decision, from creating the policy to implementing the policy.
Rachael West:
So speaking of policies and things that are being implemented at schools, we are seeing a coordinated effort in some states to restrict what educators can teach, how they can do their jobs. What advice do you have for our educators who are getting caught up in the middle of these political battles and what advice do you offer them when they are just in the middle of that?
Becky Pringle:
So I always encourage educators to remember their moral responsibility and professional obligation that they took on when they decided to become educators, whether they're teachers, or nurses, or school bus drivers, or paraprofessionals, counselors. There is no question that we have a higher level of responsibility. And as part of the preamble to our mission, we talk about accepting the profound trust that has been placed in us.
And so when our educators find themselves in environments where they're being asked to cut back on curriculum, or rip books from shelves, or not center the inclusion of everyone, to roll back on their values around diversity being our strength, that equity ... You know, equity is about making sure that every student or student with disabilities, all of them have access and opportunities. And certainly it's about inclusion, that all feel included, all are welcome in our schools, that when they are faced with rhetoric or even the creation of policies, first of all, reach out to your union for help, reach out to your union.
We have, you, their PSEA, we at the NEA have supports. Know that's what a union's about, right?
Aaron Chapin:
Yes, it is.
Becky Pringle:
Defending the right, professional rights of our educators, to speak up, their first amendment rights, to speak up, but also their professional rights as educators to make teaching and learning decisions. So encourage them to reach out, continue to encourage them to reach out to their unions.
And then remember that we're all on this journey, this journey of learning and awareness, going from that awareness to capacity building, to taking action, that they have agency, and they are not alone, that we are providing them with the tools, and the knowledge, and the skills they need to stand up, to fight back, and fight forward. I always put that in because in many places we need to make it better for our kids so they feel safe and welcome.
Aaron Chapin:
Great advice. Well, Jeff, Rachael, it's time for the lightning round.
Jeff Ney:
Lightning round.
Rachael West:
Yay.
Aaron Chapin:
Maybe we'll have special effects thrown in there. Becky, you got to keep these answers super quick. Jeff, Rachael, hit it.
Rachael West:
Okay. So the one thing you miss most about teaching?
Becky Pringle:
My kids. My kids. I just saw one, but she's not a kid anymore.
Jeff Ney:
All right.
Becky Pringle:
Being with the kids.
Jeff Ney:
Do you prefer chalkboards or whiteboards?
Becky Pringle:
Well, I told you when I started teaching, [inaudible 00:30:19] chalkboards, but everyone should have access to whiteboards. They're fabulous, of course. Technology, of course.
Rachael West:
All right. Snow days or virtual days?
Becky Pringle:
Snow days. Now I know that's not the right answer. We have the means to continue learning through virtual. But when I talk with my daughter-in-law and I asked her if Carter and Mackenzie, my grandkids, had school on Monday, she said, "Well, they do have to go through ... They virtually have to go." And I was like, "What? They can't go out and [inaudible 00:30:47]? That's terrible." But keeping the learning going, great.
Aaron Chapin:
Uh-oh.
Jeff Ney:
All right. Because you're from Pennsylvania.
Aaron Chapin:
Uh-oh.
Jeff Ney:
Wawa or Sheetz?
Aaron Chapin:
Oh, no.
Becky Pringle:
Wawa. Come on. They have the best hoagies.
Aaron Chapin:
That's my girl.
Becky Pringle:
And they have my favorite, lemon pie, lemon pie, tasty cake. Now, as I drove from Harrisburg for all those years to DC, I did have to stop at the Sheetz in Dillsburg. So I did do that to fill up my gas, but my favorite, Wawa.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, Becky, I worked at Wawa one summer before I student taught, so.
Becky Pringle:
I did not know that.
Aaron Chapin:
I was the king of shorty making, so I was pretty good.
Jeff Ney:
Oh, that's a whole other podcast right there.
Aaron Chapin:
Well, that's right. But we are not going down that road. She's absolutely correct. Wawa it is. So all you Sheetz listeners.
Jeff Ney:
Oh, come on.
Aaron Chapin:
Bring the letters, podcast@psea.org.
Oh my God. Our time is up. It's well overdue, but you didn't care. You wanted to hear from our guest today, right Jeff?
Jeff Ney:
I did.
Aaron Chapin:
I agree.
Jeff Ney:
I could sit here and stay on for another hour.
Aaron Chapin:
I know Rachael's all for it, so.
Rachael West:
Listen, I could listen to Becky all day long.
Aaron Chapin:
That's right. Our guest today has been the NEA president, Becky Pringle.
Becky, thanks again for joining us. We can't wait to see you. Well, this is going to air next week, so we're going to see you next the week after.
Jeff Ney:
The week after, Super Week.
Aaron Chapin:
Super Week's coming up. I can't wait to see you in person. So thank you for being here, Becky.
And this will probably be the last time you're going to be on the podcast before your term is up. So thank you for everything you've done for NEA and for public education across the country.
Jeff Ney:
Thank you for everything.
Becky Pringle:
Thank you, guys. It's always good to be on Duty Free Lunch.
Aaron Chapin:
Say it again one more time. Say it, Becky.
Becky Pringle:
Duty Free Lunch.
Aaron Chapin:
That's right.
Jeff Ney:
There it is.
Aaron Chapin:
All you other state presidents. Oh my gosh.
Hey, thanks to everyone who's listening. If you got feedback, I already told you the address, podcast@psea.org.
I'm Aaron Chapin and you've been listening to Duty Free Lunch with ...
Jeff Ney:
I'm Jeff Ney.
Rachael West:
And I'm Rachael West.
Aaron Chapin:
Yeah, I should have looked at the script better.
Jeff Ney:
You probably should have, Aaron.
Aaron Chapin:
Probably should have. I've only been doing it for like 60 episodes.
Bye for now, everybody.
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